1st year 14u - Swing mechanics what to work on

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She needs a little more hip flexion/ seated more. Compare the angle between the femur and spine tilt of the pros. Her elbow is fine. I see Muds point now.
 

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I think you're getting too caught up in the minutia of terminology and all...just get her so "the hips lead the hands" (and also the shoulders) to the ball....
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....check out how LC's hips are ahead of her shoulders to the ball (besides her front foot & legs, which body part is closet to the ball?).

Just about every good hitter get's their lower half going towards the ball before (or ahead of) their upper half...
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...regardless of the style or "pattern" they use (no stride, low stride, high stride...), they all get the hip out to the ball before, and out beyond or in front the shoulders at their launch positions (same closest body part to the ball question here).

Does your DD do the same in hers?
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...which body part (besides the front foot/let) is closest to the ball again at the launch position?

IMO, your DD looks as though she wants to attack, time, and/or hit the ball with her shoulders first, while the other hitters shown above what to attack, time, and hit it with their hips first.
Ok thank you, i appreciate the detailed response. To me this is akin to getting into a more leaned back position to swing over the back leg vs taller and more over front foot. Remember i am trying to describe this to DD. We actually worked on this today, i have some video i need to review, but getting into a more athletic position to start was key. i will try to share as soon as i can. As a note, the middle hitter you show is not as pronounced as the other two. imo.
 
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Ok thank you, i appreciate the detailed response. To me this is takin to getting into a more leaned back position to swing over the back leg vs taller and more over front foot.
They're not leaning back with their upper bodies, but rather being tilted back do to their lower half (hips) tilting the upper with the hips' angle of attack (shoulders are tilted down, while the hips are tilted up...both from back to front)...look at LC's arrows for what I'm talking about, and then look at the pros shoulders and belt lines for their comparisons.

Remember i am trying to describe this to DD. We actually worked on this today, i have some video i need to review, but getting into a more athletic position to start was key. i will try to share as soon as i can. As a note, the middle hitter you show is not as pronounced as the other two. imo.
Yes, Evan stays a little taller than does Jim and Mike, so his two angles are not going to be as pronounced, but they're still there.

Here's a pro moving everything forward instead of keeping something "back"....
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...who again IMO, appears to be attacking, aiming, and hitting with the front shoulder....
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...as he pulls it out of there with a hard right turn, and then just pushes his hands, outpacing his rear hip (which doesn't start forward until the hands are already past it) to the ball.

Hope that all helps in explaining what I'm trying to get across.
 
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fanboi22

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Ok, back at it, hope everyone has been safe. Have had more time that she isn't playing club volleyball. So getting some sessions in at the cage. Let me know your thoughts on any progress. I would have started a new thread but I like everything in one spot, i went back to read this thread again (after reading @Eric F DD's threads on Maddie - so much great info in there thank you again Eric for sharing) and have picked up quite a few things after i continue read and re-read more and more threads. I also have been on baseballfever for a while now reading all their threads and suggest anyone interested in learning more to go there as well. A lot of good info and i feel there is a bit of a different perspective there.

In any case, i have tried to tone down my DD's movements to start at a less complicated base and then work back on adding or changing things from a simpler starting point. She is more resembling @DRDRODD dd's swing. Maybe. maybe i am just seeing things. The no stride seems to be helping, initially at least.

I think she still needs to work on the 'separation/stretch' and getting the hips firing first like @Work=wins showed me in the BB double stretch video. I think that will help keep her top elbow from pulling thru as much as it has. Also trying to get her to 'leave something back' as suggested by @Mudders Brudder in his informative posts.

I think a little more S-plane as well.

Happy for any input. Thanks again for all suggestions.


 

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Ok, back at it, hope everyone has been safe. Have had more time that she isn't playing club volleyball. So getting some sessions in at the cage. Let me know your thoughts on any progress. I would have started a new thread but I like everything in one spot, i went back to read this thread again (after reading @Eric F DD's threads on Maddie - so much great info in there thank you again Eric for sharing) and have picked up quite a few things after i continue read and re-read more and more threads. I also have been on baseballfever for a while now reading all their threads and suggest anyone interested in learning more to go there as well. A lot of good info and i feel there is a bit of a different perspective there.

In any case, i have tried to tone down my DD's movements to start at a less complicated base and then work back on adding or changing things from a simpler starting point. She is more resembling @DRDRODD dd's swing. Maybe. maybe i am just seeing things. The no stride seems to be helping, initially at least.

I think she still needs to work on the 'separation/stretch' and getting the hips firing first like @Work=wins showed me in the BB double stretch video. I think that will help keep her top elbow from pulling thru as much as it has. Also trying to get her to 'leave something back' as suggested by @Mudders Brudder in his informative posts.

I think a little more S-plane as well.

Happy for any input. Thanks again for all suggestions.





Nice work !! Appears to be using the middle much better and like the s-plane work as well. There also seems to be good use of swinging "down to" against both hips extending.

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Wow! That looks so much better. Still have a little ABAF (all back, all forward) but many a pro hitter have a little ABAF in their swing. Maybe slots elbow/hands drop a little early. Back shoulder should swing under not drop under if that makes sense.

Also can you repost this. I missed it.
"@Work=wins showed me in the BB double stretch video."
 

fanboi22

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Wow! That looks so much better. Still have a little ABAF (all back, all forward) but many a pro hitter have a little ABAF in their swing. Maybe slots elbow/hands drop a little early. Back shoulder should swing under not drop under if that makes sense.

Also can you repost this. I missed it.
"@Work=wins showed me in the BB double stretch video."
Thanks RH, i have heard ABAF a bunch of times and not really sure specifically. I will have to look back at DDs swing as i was trying to make sure she never got her rear knee back over her rear foot, which i think is ok. I think i was trying to emulate more of Lauren Chamberlains swing which seems to 'slide back and forth' if thats what you mean by ABAF.

Agreed on slot / hands / early. Gotta figure a way to fix that. Again if she gets her stretch better, i think that corrects some if not most of that.
 

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