Bat Path

[Work=wins]

Let’s not forget about the hands..

 

[Bobby Shirer]

This is a video taken in an office chair where the legs aren't anchored and the camera is held rigid with the shoulders.
This is what the obliques do when activated. The pelvis moves equally opposite the shoulders and no matter how hard I tried, I couldn't get the pelvis to move more than 1/4 turn.
Notice when the movement is reversed the shoulders and pelvis swap places and there is no more than 1/4 turn of the shoulders past neutral.
I also tried with a bat in my hands. If the bat was extended, the pelvis rotated slightly more due to the conservation of angular momentum.... the core turned more easily. but the shoulder counter rotation was less.
If the bat was held vertically it was the same as it was with no bat.

 

[james27503]

Here we go again. ...
The torso is unchained and has no momentum with which to turn the pelvis during the stride. The pelvis starts turning because the back leg is in contact with the ground and externally rotates causing the pelvis to rotate in the opposite direction. The movement is due to the contraction of the glute medius.
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Power in the legs is massive but extremely slow.

Hitting is like tug of war, but tug or war over a short distance with limited time. You have to go fast!!!!

Fast over short distance = core. Slow and powerful over long distance = legs.

If I gave you a rope and put you in fyb position and said you need to move the rope 2 feet forward as fast as you can you would ANCHOR you back foot and yank like the heavens with your core.

If on the other hand I said you need to get this rope 10 feet forward and time doesn't matter, you would stabilize your core and use leg drive to move you forward.

Powerful but slow, core stabilized legs powering.



Fast and what happens in the swing.

 

[TDS]

Some don't leverage the internal obliques correctly.

 

[Bobby Shirer]

Does anyone think if Tiger could describe his movements anatomically correct would change his cause/effect

"Fire the hips. ....yeah you hit the ball a long way....."
"I try to feel like my arms come down first...my hips don't move. ....it doesn't even come close to that . ...I try to feel . .."
So how do we tell if a hitter is doing it right, do we ask them how it feels or do we look at video and see what happens? Oh, the positions of the hips first are results not actually actions?
How about this, you need to take the slack out of the core. Like a stiffer driver gives you more control than a whippy one. But the whippy one hits the ball further.
So in fastpitch are we trying to control where we hit the ball, or are we trying to hit it further/harder?

 

[Bobby Shirer]

Power in the legs is massive but extremely slow.

Hitting is like tug of war, but tug or war over a short distance with limited time. You have to go fast!!!!

Fast over short distance = core. Slow and powerful over long distance = legs.

If I gave you a rope and put you in fyb position and said you need to move the rope 2 feet forward as fast as you can you would ANCHOR you back foot and yank like the heavens with your core.

If on the other hand I said you need to get this rope 10 feet forward and time doesn't matter, you would stabilize your core and use leg drive to move you forward.

Powerful but slow, core stabilized legs powering.



Fast and what happens in the swing.

I guess you've never heard of Barry Sanders, Carl Lewis or Ben Johnson.....powerful but extremely slow legs...yeah right.
All those NFL running backs with the spindly legs, creating short quick bursts of speed with their obliques.
The massive lineman that can cover 10 yards like a cat.... tiny little bird legs.... all of them. No deadlifts in the weight room. That's not fat around their midsections, those are massive obliques!
Bahahahaaha.

 

[Bobby Shirer]

Open hips


Turn back and engage obliques


Turn to where? Hip /shoulders aligned?

 

[julray]

This is a video taken in an office chair where the legs aren't anchored and the camera is held rigid with the shoulders.
This is what the obliques do when activated. The pelvis moves equally opposite the shoulders and no matter how hard I tried, I couldn't get the pelvis to move more than 1/4 turn.
Notice when the movement is reversed the shoulders and pelvis swap places and there is no more than 1/4 turn of the shoulders past neutral.
I also tried with a bat in my hands. If the bat was extended, the pelvis rotated slightly more due to the conservation of angular momentum.... the core turned more easily. but the shoulder counter rotation was less.
If the bat was held vertically it was the same as it was with no bat.

Anybody else experience vertigo?

 

[TDS]

 

[julray]

I already mentioned above in regards to the swing.. I believe in hip extension, I believe in the obliques and core pulling, I believe a lot of muscles through the midsection and legs creating power. What I don't believe in is 1 legged? I am much more powerful on two legs, I can create greater force with hip extension, I can leverage all the muscles of my core better including my obliques, I am more dynamic, more reactive, more controlled etc etc. So I can get onboard with hip extension and Obliques working together.. but I am unable to understand why anybody would promote 1 leg?