Bat Path

[Buttermaker]

Geez, you OK Butter, I’m beginning to worry about you with you starting to lash out with such vitriol all of a sudden. You're starting to sound like that other HI guy when he can't explain wth he's talking about, and can only resort to name-calling that's so unbecoming of the two of you.

Sadly, first it was at TDS just over two short weeks ago when you went after him on multiple occasions....

I wasn't the only one noticing it either btw...

Then suddenly, out of the blue I guess because you were bored….you decided to head back down the old “c/c/c” road I helped you dig yourself out of several years ago (yep still have the PMs) when it lead you into a ditch…

Which I guess is your latest epiphany of this month, so best of luck to you with it.

Oh, and if you and the others haven’t noticed...I’ve not been quoting any of the oblique misinformed/misinformation posts the last few days. Just been letting whoever wants to say whatever say it, as I think it’s much better letting the - how did you say it? - “….dumb comments like these that show how much you don't know”…speak for themselves.

Btw, wrt to this….

Should I post your PM you sent to me at the other site just 12 days ago asking me to help you to understand your new found revelations? Or did I somehow lose my “smarts” between then and today? Yes I saw it, and no I didn't reply to it, just because of several of the above reasons....and you obviously wouldn't appreciate it anyway, just like all of the other ones I've sent to you. over the years. Oh well...tis what tis.

So really…you OK Butter?

All is good. Thank you for the concern. Yes, I did send a you PM on the other site 12 days ago. I thought I had deleted it, but I guess it stays on your side? I deleted bc the more I read the Hitting Position thread over there the more I realized last go around with the core/BBA technique I was missing something very key. And thus I knew I wasn't going to get any answers from you that would've helped me.

I'm still not sure why the push back over learning to use the obliques. Oh well. At the end of the day it is only about helping whatever hitters you may be training/coaching to hit better (and hopefully get them to the best version of themselves).

I'm sure we will keep sparring on here. Stay safe.

 

[Buttermaker]

Not to worry julray, Butter knows I’d never do such a thing to him, as he knows how I personally felt when someone else did just that to me years ago (someone who no longer posts anywhere).

Truth be told, Butter and I go way back, and I really do like and respect him, and think he does a great job with his hitters, and have told him so many times both in public and private.

I also appreciate his passion wrt hitting, but it’s that same passion that sometimes gets him writing things that go a little to far off the rails, but that’s sometime's the nature of these forums, and if it ever really gets to me or if I ever started taking any of it personal…I would have stopped post at all of them long ago.

Besides, I was not about to let you slide in to the front of the line in Pattar’s “asso club” with your last qualifying post, so threatening that just seemed like a way to give myself a “leg” up on the competition (see what I did there?).


Peace out (for now),
MB

Thanks and yes I know. After all PM's stands for private messages...and should be kept that way.

 

[julray]

Besides, I was not about to let you slide in to the front of the line in Pattar’s “asso club” with your last qualifying post, so threatening that just seemed like a way to give myself a “leg” up on the competition (see what I did there?).

Peace out (for now),
MB

I don't think I'll have any worries about that while you are around. BTW, threatening to reveal PM's and in the same sentence revealing the nature of the PM is just as bad.. LOL. Desperate times, Desperate measures.. I'll leave you to it.

 

[Mudders Brudder]

Thanks for your seal of approval julray, don’t know if or how I could have gone on without it.

But might I suggest, that the next time, instead of searching the internet for cute little memes of things that weren’t directed to you, and didn’t need your admonition...

That you would have probably been better served, by looking up to learn whether or not the humerus is part of the “leg” or not, or if the “leg” starts just below the knee…

So the legs account for 100 yards, 340 comes from the core and obliques? . Can you imagine though how much more leverage the golfer has with his feet under him?

....and then maybe refigure your math on what accounts for what distance variables in hitters' swings.

So let me ask you. Since you believe that the “legs” only account for 100 yards of distance, and that “340 comes from the core and obliques”….what would you guess those numbers would look like if we had that same golfer sit on his butt with his legs crossed underneath him?

Do you think he’d still get the 340 “from the core and obliques”, or might that number be down quite dramatically? In fact, would you even say he’d be able to get it the 100 yards that you say is only what the “legs” are able to supply?

Not sure? How about this?

Sit on your butt legs crossed (as shown above) in the batter's box, parallel to home plate, and then see how far you can throw a SB out towards 2nd base with just your upper half ("obliques"). Mark that, and...

Then come up to your knees (as the referenced golfer earlier) in the same place parallel to home plate, and again, see how far you can throw the same ball out towards 2nd base, this time using just "half" of your lower half ("legs") to make the throw. Did it go farther or fall shorter than your first throw?

Then, please explain what happened, and/or made the difference(s) if any between the two throws.

I won't even trouble you to ask you to make the 3rd throw standing and striding using all of your legs to do so, we both already know the answer to that one.

Waddya think…fair questions ? Take your time, I'm going to heed Butter's advice from yesterday, and go surfing....they finally opened up my beach, and the waves are indeed calling.

 

[julray]

Thanks for your seal of approval julray, don’t know if or how I could have gone on without it.

But might I suggest, that the next time, instead of searching the internet for cute little memes of things that weren’t directed to you, and didn’t need your admonition...

That you would have probably been better served, by looking up to learn whether or not the humerus is part of the “leg” or not, or if the “leg” starts just below the knee…

....and then maybe refigure your math on what accounts for what distance variables in hitters' swings.

So let me ask you. Since you believe that the “legs” only account for 100 yards of distance, and that “340 comes from the core and obliques”….what would you guess those numbers would look like if we had that same golfer sit on his butt with his legs crossed underneath him?

Do you think he’d still get the 340 “from the core and obliques”, or might that number be down quite dramatically? In fact, would he even say he’d be able to get it the 100 yards that you tell us is only what the “legs” are able to supply?

Not sure? How about this?

Sit on your butt legs crossed (as shown above) in the batter's box, parallel to home plate, and then see how far you can throw a SB out towards 2nd base with just your upper half ("obliques"). Mark that, and...

Then come up to your knees (as the referenced golfer earlier) in the same place parallel to home plate, and again, see how far you can throw the same ball out towards 2nd base, this time using just "half" of your lower half ("legs") to make the throw. Did it go farther or fall shorter than your first throw?

Then, please explain what happened, and/or made the difference(s) if any between the two throws.

I won't even trouble you to ask you to make the 3rd throw standing and striding using all of your legs to do so, we both already know the answer to that one.

Waddya think…fair questions ?

Fitst off most of what I said was in jest.. so you wasted a lot of time here. Key part to what I said was Imagine if the golfer had their feet under them to leverage. Which gets back to your point about sitting cross legged = very little leverage, on knees = greater leverage, on "two" feet = greatest leverage and stability. I answered your question in my original post you responded to, hope this makes it a little clearer

I am fairly certain you'd have no problem blabbering on without me.. you can't seem to control yourself, a dash of humility wouldn't hurt. JMHO

Edited....

 

[FP26]

Fitst off most of what I said was in jest.. so you wasted a lot of time here. Key part to what I said was Imagine if the golfer had their feet under them to leverage. Which gets back to your point about sitting cross legged = very little leverage, on knees = greater leverage, on "two" feet = greatest leverage and stability. I answered your question in my original post you responded to, hope this makes it a little clearer

I am fairly certain you'd have no problem blabbering on without me.. you can't seem to control yourself, a dash of humility wouldn't hurt. JMHO

Edited....

What I see is that those other body parts are indeed necessary to get the desired results. The correct oblique usage helps, and I dont know of anyone that claims it doesn't, but it cannot do it alone. I'm not sure why some are so offended by that.

 

[Buttermaker]

What I see is that those other body parts are indeed necessary to get the desired results. The correct oblique usage helps, and I dont know of anyone that claims it doesn't, but it cannot do it alone. I'm not sure why some are so offended by that.

FP - obliques create the change of direction very suddenly. It turns the rearward to forward and the down to level.

 

[Work=wins]

FP - obliques create the change of direction very suddenly. It turns the rearward to forward and the down to level.

nicely said.

 

[Buttermaker]

I am still fighting the hand action needed to utilize the obliques as efficiently as possible. It's gotta be a chop wood hand action. The TTB stuff just will not work with it.

Edit - I am not consciously trying to TTB but it's been ingrained in me. Radial to ulna deviation is taking a little time to take hold.

 

[Buttermaker]

Exactly what is needed. Flat hands. Cannot rotate the forearms to TTB