Aaron Rowland post to Matt Lisle

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Jul 2, 2013
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Even if everything posted is true, he makes a terrible point about Lisle. He says "what you know about hitting works at lower levels", but then tells him to stop trying to sell his training to kids. Aren't they lower levels?

It's quite possible that Lisle is very good at working with people on the basics but couldn't cut it trying to fix professional ball players who have been playing the game their entire lives. That's two completely different sets of skills. I would think most of us have experience with our DD outgrowing a hitting or pitching coach and having to move on.
 

ian

Jun 11, 2015
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Rowand was a .273 career batter for the decade + he was in the Majors. Leslie has a built a decent business selling drills and such. Side with who you want.
 

ian

Jun 11, 2015
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Even if everything posted is true, he makes a terrible point about Lisle. He says "what you know about hitting works at lower levels", but then tells him to stop trying to sell his training to kids. Aren't they lower levels?

It's quite possible that Lisle is very good at working with people on the basics but couldn't cut it trying to fix professional ball players who have been playing the game their entire lives. That's two completely different sets of skills. I would think most of us have experience with our DD outgrowing a hitting or pitching coach and having to move on.

I guess the kids can fix their swing later like the late round draft picks Leslie worked with for a short time?
 
Jun 6, 2016
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Followed Matt for awhile and found his site very helpful. Aaron sounds like a bitter little fellow. There are lots of coaches/instructors around, if you like what they offer stick with them, if it's not helping move on.

What would make Rowand bitter in this particular situation?
 
Aug 19, 2012
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There are great athletes who make lousy coaches and mediocre athletes who make great coaches and instructors.
There are a lot more managers with world series rings that were mediocre players than there are .300 lifetime hitters who have won a ring as a manager. Hitting is abut equal parts science and religion to stir up this much venom I suspect it's more the religion part that is agitated.
 
Jun 6, 2016
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There are great athletes who make lousy coaches and mediocre athletes who make great coaches and instructors.
There are a lot more managers with world series rings that were mediocre players than there are .300 lifetime hitters who have won a ring as a manager. Hitting is abut equal parts science and religion to stir up this much venom I suspect it's more the religion part that is agitated.

So he doesn't appear to agree with Lisle's methods. I'm still not sure what would make him bitter in this particular situation.
 
Jun 8, 2016
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So he doesn't appear to agree with Lisle's methods. I'm still not sure what would make him bitter in this particular situation.
Right, it was almost like it was a response to something that we didn't see...
 
Jul 2, 2013
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I guess the kids can fix their swing later like the late round draft picks Leslie worked with for a short time?

I'm assuming by the fact that you keep referring to him as "Leslie" that you have some issue with Lisle. I don't have a dog in the fight. I've never used any of his training so I can't say good or bad. My point is simply that teaching a kid to hit at a high level is a lot different than tweaking the swing of a professional ball player.

My DD goes to one of the best hitting coaches in the area. He coaches at the college level and has girls from 8u up that all perform really well. I'm pretty sure he would tell you he couldn't coach professional baseball players. That doesn't mean he's screwing up the swings of the girls he does work with.
 
Sep 17, 2009
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If that is actually Rowand and he's that passionate about the topic I wonder if he'd come over and talk hitting? What didn't work for MLBers but could work at lower levels? Was it technique? Approach? Interaction style? What does Aaron believe to be essential? Or how about we hear from Matt Lisle, who has stopped by previously. I know his time with the Sox didn't work out and he has apologized for club/team-jumping in the past. I don't have a strong opinion about his teachings but I seriously doubt he's totally unqualified with all the work he's put in. Agree, disagree but there's no reason he can't teach what he believes. Seems way over the top. I'd actually be very interested to know what Rowand thinks didn't work at the MLB level.
 
Aug 2, 2019
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I would imagine that there would be a lot of resistance to Lisle's methods in MLB because he was a college softball coach.

Those of you that have been in a locker room know the kind of s***talking that goes on. I'm sure working with the "girls coach" made them ripe targets, and Lisle was probably not given a fair chance by many for the same reason.
 

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