DD at a lesson

[Eric F]

Sorry, I know she's a good player but not a fan of her vertical barrel path. Do you see any other great hitters who force supination of the rear forearm to create the vertical barrel path ?

On deck feel move. We see lots of examples of feel moves that don't seem to be represented in that player's game swing. Here's how it actually translates for DiCarlo...

 

[Bobby Shirer]

On deck feel move. We see lots of examples of feel moves that don't seem to be represented in that player's game swing. Here's how it actually translates for DiCarlo...

Kind of makes me a fan of the vertical bat path.

 

[Bobby Shirer]

Sorry, I know she's a good player but not a fan of her vertical barrel path. Do you see any other great hitters who force supination of the rear forearm to create the vertical barrel path ?

You should TRY IT! and then comment.

 

[TDS]

You should TRY IT! and then comment.

I have tried it before Rich repackaged Jack Mankins tht

 

[cnardone]

This has been a nice discussion. I am hear trying to learn for my 10yo DD. I come from a Charlie Lua Jr, pull the knob to the ball experience. I am trying to understand and feel this stuff before teaching (or to deciding to teach) it.

I've tried the movement DiCarlo is doing (or what I perceive it to be) , the initial movement of torqing the hands & driving the back elbow down drives the pat head to 9:00 (looking at a RHB from the Left Box). I am getting way too much tilt and loop. I think that this becomes much harder to control the younger the player. I am not sure that the average 10yo has the strength to efficiently make that barrel change direction once it is moving down and back.

When i tried going through the steps in the Turn the Barrel Series video that is posted here, that was a little more interesting to me. I agree with W=W that it feels less adjustable, but it also feels to me like it would be a easy(er) teach. a lot less moving part. Though, for me, it still felt like it might create fewer line drives and more fly balls. Maybe I just need to get more comfortable with it.

 

[erniekru]

What is everyone's take on this particular swing by APC? This is a great discussion on the nuances of high level swings.

 

[james27503]

What is everyone's take on this particular swing by APC? This is a great discussion on the nuances of high level swings.

She starts a lot like Altuve. Front shoulder already pulled back and front arm/elbow already above the pitch plane. Back elbow doesn't work up very much.

Really debating on using this approach on some of my students. It really simplifies a lot of teaching. It is like you get everything set and just pull back and go vs. teaching the turning of the triangle. Seems like it would limit some power but maybe that is wrong. Doesn't seem to hurt the little guy Altuve.

 

[Bobby Shirer]

[On theQUOTE="cnardone, post: 533930, member: 16837"]
This has been a nice discussion. I am hear trying to learn for my 10yo DD. I come from a Charlie Lua Jr, pull the knob to the ball experience. I am trying to understand and feel this stuff before teaching (or to deciding to teach) it.

I've tried the movement DiCarlo is doing (or what I perceive it to be) , the initial movement of torqing the hands & driving the back elbow down drives the pat head to 9:00 (looking at a RHB from the Left Box). I am getting way too much tilt and loop. I think that this becomes much harder to control the younger the player. I am not sure that the average 10yo has the strength to efficiently make that barrel change direction once it is moving down and back.

When i tried going through the steps in the Turn the Barrel Series video that is posted here, that was a little more interesting to me. I agree with W=W that it feels less adjustable, but it also feels to me like it would be a easy(er) teach. a lot less moving part. Though, for me, it still felt like it might create fewer line drives and more fly balls. Maybe I just need to get more comfortable with it.
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To do the move that DiCarlo does, the rear arm is the pivot point. Don't stop the bat at 9:00. Let it continue around the turn. The rear forearm angle determines how steep the bat plane will be. It is perpendicular to the plane. The more upright the forearm, the flatter the swing plane (merry go round) forearm parallel to ground creates a ferris wheel swing.

I tell my new hitters to merely tilt the head of the bat to the pitcher and rotate the bat rearward, letting it go around the turn and back to the ball. Almost all get it within a few swings and they all immediately hit with much more power. Don't over coach it. Just tip the bat head to the pitcher by elevating the rear elbow. Some may try to keep the front elbow down during the swing. Tell them to let that elbow rise to the height of the ball.

Also try this. .... hold the bat in the rear hand only with the hand at the height of the shoulders, the rear forearm vertical, and the bat parallel to the ground (at a 90 degree angle to the forearm) Relax your forearm. Now turn your body and watch how the bat free wheels. Turn faster and see what the bat does. This is the feel of true TTB.

 

[Bobby Shirer]

I have tried it before Rich repackaged Jack Mankins tht

I've tried THT and this isn't the same. It is similar. Mankin was applying torque or actually push/pull. I don't recall the bat freewheeling the way TTB does. THT feels much more arm active. I interpret TTB as the rear forearm being the axis and the front arm giving direction. It's a different idea that the bat should turn around the hands. Completely different wrist actions....TTB pronation /supination vs THT radial/ulnar deviation.

 

[TDS]

I've tried THT and this isn't the same. It is similar. Mankin was applying torque or actually push/pull. I don't recall the bat freewheeling the way TTB does. THT feels much more arm active. I interpret TTB as the rear forearm being the axis and the front arm giving direction. It's a different idea that the bat should turn around the hands. Completely different wrist actions....TTB pronation /supination vs THT radial/ulnar deviation.

Sorry, I feel no maintaining radial/ulnar deviation when applying tht.. My son used ttb when he was in high school 10 years ago (when it was called tip/rip).. When he did it though the focus was on the rear scap synced with the movement as well as moving forward gaining ground.. It worked for him he hit real well 420 ... The biggest struggle was he would lose the sync on occasion due to timing and the arms/hands would take over to adjust.. I am not saying it doesn't work I see it in some mlb players, although I don't see the forced supination in any of those swings.. I don't see or feel a forced ttb at all with Bonds, Williams or any of the other great hitters.