1st year 14u - Swing mechanics what to work on

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Jun 17, 2009
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I minus the thrust. I think swinging from there can help the majority of swings posted here.

Personally, I only resort to a drill like this when I have a kid that feels the need to begin their swing with their arms, and not the torso-engine. The notion is to take the arms away ... and learn to start the swing with the torso-engine.

I hear you though ... you wish to isolate an action with the hands/forearms. I'm not one of those people that buys into that. Why? Because I believe the arms/hands should basically respond to the circular energy created by the torso-engine ... I don't believe the short-hands action that I teach can be learned without the torso-engine's initial pull.
 
Dec 4, 2013
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Personally, I only resort to a drill like this when I have a kid that feels the need to begin their swing with their arms, and not the torso-engine. The notion is to take the arms away ... and learn to start the swing with the torso-engine.

I hear you though ... you wish to isolate an action with the hands/forearms. I'm not one of those people that buys into that. Why? Because I believe the arms/hands should basically respond to the circular energy created by the torso-engine ... I don't believe the short-hands action that I teach can be learned without the torso-engine's initial pull.

Is your torso engine similar to Blue’s flail? The corse pulse?
 
Jan 6, 2009
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Chehalis, Wa
Personally, I only resort to a drill like this when I have a kid that feels the need to begin their swing with their arms, and not the torso-engine. The notion is to take the arms away ... and learn to start the swing with the torso-engine.

I hear you though ... you wish to isolate an action with the hands/forearms. I'm not one of those people that buys into that. Why? Because I believe the arms/hands should basically respond to the circular energy created by the torso-engine ... I don't believe the short-hands action that I teach can be learned without the torso-engine's initial pull.

It's hard for the arms/hand to follow if their busy creating force themselves.
 
Jun 17, 2009
15,105
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Portland, OR
Is your torso engine similar to Blue’s flail? The corse pulse?

I believe it is similar to Blue's flail ... but I am not 100% confident that I fully understand Blue's usage. IMO Blue tends to speak in a manner that makes one have to search. He has some great content ... but he doesn't always spoon feed folks :).
 
Jun 17, 2009
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Portland, OR
It's hard for the arms/hand to follow if their busy creating force themselves.

Not at all. That's what "short-hands" is all about ... aggressively seeking plan during the initial 'torso pull'. The two engines blend together perfectly. In fact, the blending of the two engines, IMO anyways, is more important than attempting to go nuts with either engine.
 

fanboi22

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Nov 9, 2015
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I minus the thrust. I think swinging from there can help the majority of swings posted here.

Thank you both for posting this vid and commenting. I think im getting there, thanks for the patience. Spartans, for this drill, how do you minus the thrust? I was assuming the thrust was the torso engine. Or is that what he is calling the pivot? I was assuming the pivot was the hand snapping backwards.

In watching this a few more times, it's not just a 'slide the bat off the shoulders while turning into the ball path' drill. I see now that he still is forcefully snapping (pivoting) hands as he tilts - creating the turn. I thought this was more of a stationary pivot point with hands at the shoulders.

I think i see the light.

Is there a specific feel she should get when doing this vs her current swing? I am confused on my DD however, i thought she still did have a turn, are you saying it isn't there at all? or it isn't tight enough, meaning hands not close enough to body? Just want to make sure what i am looking for.

Thanks again for the help. Hoping you dont bow out of the convo.
 
Jan 6, 2009
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Chehalis, Wa
Not at all. That's what "short-hands" is all about ... aggressively seeking plan during the initial 'torso pull'. The two engines blend together perfectly. In fact, the blending of the two engines, IMO anyways, is more important than attempting to go nuts with either engine.

Disagree, your either creating force with the upperbody or the upperbody is following the large muscles. There is to much tension when trying to use the upperbody.
 

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