Does the riseball really rise???

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May 12, 2008
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I've seen the same grip used for a men's baseball curve grip turned upside down work well. Still got good spin rates and the spin axis immediately improved about 40 degrees.
 
May 18, 2008
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Rick,
I dont have one of those devices that measure spin and would like to use your expertise and save myself some money. When dd is throwing the rise you can hear the ball spinning. It is a buzz you can hear clearly 20 or 30 feet away. At what spin rate do balls start making this noise?
 
Bruised

Wish I could give you a good answer. My hearing has declined a bit over the years. I do remember my DD's first visit home after being in college for four months----there was a definite buzz to her rise spin that I hadn't heard before.
I would hazard a guess that it is around 24+ RPM's.
Rick
 
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Bruised

Wish I could give you a good answer. My hearing has declined a bit over the years. I do remember my DD's first visit home after being in college for four months----there was a definite buzz to her rise spin that I hadn't heard before.
I would hazard a guess that it is around 24+ RPM's.
Rick

That's a cool sound isn't it?
 
I love Michael Whites description of the Riseball----"the scholarship pitch". If you hear that sweet sound from your DD's riseball you could get a return on all your money and years of investment.
Rick
 

halskinner

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May 7, 2008
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It matters a great deal.

This is the one that jumps. If you know riseballs AND you are familiar with the grips;

What EXACTLY do you see happening in this picture that causes this one to be different and produce more spin than others? What is very evident in this one that is different in other riseball grips?
 
Hi Hal
This grip is very similar to the one I used. My perception is that the index finger is "spring loaded" into the seam and adds some backspin at release.
I really do believe that this grip may generate some added RPS's 'cause it feels like it does---------it may be my advanced age but I couldn't get much or any added RPS with the tucked grip over a split finger grip. I was extremely surprised by this. I always wanted my students to try this tucked finger grip, but could never find one that felt comfortable with it---they all said it felt like they couldn't grip the ball. Probably some truth to this as I would suggest that the average female doesn't have the grip strength or length of fingers that the average male does.
Many of my students use a compromise to the tucked finger----they do have a curled index finger that lays against the seam and does seem to generate some higher RPS's.
I have several students that can make the ball appear to "jump". These are the students that have the best combination of the criteria I mentioned earlier.

Rick
 
May 12, 2008
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Why isn't this grip used to throw a baseball 12-6 curve, which is really just an upside down riseball mechanically?
 

halskinner

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Why isn't this grip used to throw a baseball 12-6 curve, which is really just an upside down riseball mechanically?

I dunno! Why ya askin me? I have played exactly 1/2 inning of baseball in my lifetime. Possibly because the seams on a baseball are not as pronounced as a softball????? Same thing goes for a 10" vs 12" softball, it's the size/height of the raised seams.

A VERY similar grip IS used to throw my flick curve. However, opposite of the riseball, the slower you throw it, the MORE it breaks and it can break tremendously. But, ya got to add something else to the motions to get it to work.
 

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