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Jan 27, 2019
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The ducksports.com article makes it clear that players had releases early on and could have chosen to go before coach lombardi was ever hired. I mean you're taking about all region/AA level players here in most cases. They didnt do that, and in fact, there was quite a bit of excitement around the hire of Lombardi.

Then almost immediately there was all the stuff about a 24/7 dress code. Again, that alone wouldnt have been that big a deal probably, but it was the way it was done. Burke particularly, took offense to the backhanded assertion that people that would wear such clothes had low moral standards (and by association their parents had done a poor job raising them). Apparently that exchange got intense enough that Burke left the team and Elish, a good friend and also left. Then there was religious stuff mentioned in the duck sports article, but again the players said that wasnt what made them leave. It sounds like the were unhappy being constantly compared unfavorably to OK when they had won pac championships and made WCWS appearances as well. What I've heard from several people is on top of that, there wasnt clear direction and availability of the staff related to what specifically they should do to improve compared to OK, just that they weren't as good. I think the next set of players left at various times because of these things and some other things that havent been made public.

Kleist was her own special case. I would have never guessed she would leave OR. The ducksports article mentioned she was "misersble" playing for the current staff. Apparently miserable enough to sit out playing softall her senior year and pay for her schooling. Crazy. They didnt mention why kleist was miserable but there has been some public talk about mismanagement of her injury situation, which has been corroborated by some of the people I know from the program as part of the reason for Kleist's departure.

Balint it sounds like wasnt too happy with some of the goings on but was going to stick it out in a still viable program. Then the ducksports article came out. I think the administration bears some culpability here as well because they had maintained they did everything they could to retain MW, and the article clearly disputed that. Probably the straw that broke the camel's back for Balint, although I'm just speculating and going by clues in her social media statement.

At that point, the team was no longer viable after losing 3! AA pitchers. Mack, being a senior, chose to sit out and play her final year in 2020. Camuso is in the transfer portal now. They site the environment and culture as reasons for leaving.

So, yeah, I think coach Lombardi bears a significant share of the blame for taking a WCWS contending team and turning it into a likely pac 12 cellar dweller. MW is a beneficiary of that but so are Jerry Glascoe and Mike Smith, and we'll see with Camuso, Mack and Balint. Those players going to Texas would have just gone somewhere else if Texas wasnt available. I know several got multiple offers to play elsewhere because they are damn good players. If you go into a successful program like OR as a new coach with guns blazing around team culture, and comparisons to your last team that is completely your right. In doing that though, you get the blame if it all goes to crap as OR has. Will Lombardi be successful in the future with "her" players? I dont know, but Eugene and Norman could not be more culturally different. Oregon attracts a certain kind of player not unlike WA. Trying to transplant Norman there is probably a recipe for disaster.
 
Jul 16, 2013
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The entire situation is unfortunate. If the rumors concerning the new administration are accurate, i cannot blame the players for being upset. Yes, Oklahoma has clearly had more overall success over the past 5 years, but throwing it in people's faces is not a very effective motivational tool. That said, I have to wonder how many of these young ladies made their initial decision because of the coaching staff at that time. At least to me, it seems like that may have been a big factor to some. And unfortunately, in today's landscape, coaching changes are extremely common. I'm not saying that the coaching staff shouldn't be a factor in an athlete's decision. But it shouldn't be the main factor. And a young athlete should enter college knowing that there is a good chance their coach for their senior year will be different than their coach for their freshman year.
 
Jun 6, 2016
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It sounds like the were unhappy being constantly compared unfavorably to OK when they had won pac championships and made WCWS appearances as well. What I've heard from several people is on top of that, there wasnt clear direction and availability of the staff related to what specifically they should do to improve compared to OK, just that they weren't as good.

It's actually a little bit surprising someone at such a high level could think this would be effective.

If the new coach thinks Pac-12 titles aren't good enough, that's valid. That's demanding more from your elite athletes. I can get behind that. But to simply say "you girls aren't as good as Oklahoma" is insulting (even if true) and ineffective.

Why not say, "You have had a lot of success, but I think you can get even better. Here are some things we did at Oklahoma to get the most out of our players. We're going to do those things here."

Some players may not like the changes, but I seriously doubt anybody would feel insulted or slighted with that approach. But you never tell players they aren't good (enough) without telling them how they can become good (enough).
 

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Jun 24, 2011
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Dang, twelve pages (so far) of debate over what might or might not have been said. Clucking in the henhouse, or quacking in the duck pond?
 
Feb 15, 2017
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So she doesn't like the way her former head coach was treated and she has a bad vibe from the new coach and she is mad the AD didnt give more money to the former coach.

And she's mad she brought in some other players.


I guess she got a taste of the real world.



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May 24, 2013
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... Eugene and Norman could not be more culturally different. Oregon attracts a certain kind of player not unlike WA. Trying to transplant Norman there is probably a recipe for disaster.

Very valid point. Eugene is not exactly known as a central hub for conservative values and rigid dress codes.
 
Feb 15, 2017
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Oregon attracked players that were attracked to Mike white. What were his values??



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Feb 17, 2015
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After reading it sounds like she was looking for an excuse to quit. I'm sorry, a player that is brought on and you're made to believe they will play immediately and then it turns out they weren't cleared is your excuse for not trusting Lombardi and treating that like a lie? Pretty flimsy lie. Plus she stated they already knew about the AD/Mike White scenario. She pretty much spells it out that the team wasn't up to her expectations and that their Utopian softball world was over when White left. And this is all fine. I get it.

DD was in a similar situation. Last year she transferred from a JUCO to a 4 year school. She really liked the school and loved the coach that recruited her. A week before school starts and the coach resigns for another job. The coach they brought in looked great on paper and had actually emailed DD trying to recruit her to his former school. This coach turned out to be a disaster. After watching several games last year and listening to DD I really questioned this guys ability to coach. I could tell lots of stories about it. Bottom line I asked her to go through the fall season to gauge where things were at and she was torn. After the Christmas break and she got back on campus practice started. She went through a couple practices and she felt nothing had changed. The only reason she could find to play was that this would be her last year. Everything else was negative and made her miserable. I told her to leave the team if it was truly going to make her miserable. She met with the coach and told him that team was not a good fit for her and she was leaving. The coach didn't even really get into the why. Just said he was disappointed. Meeting took less than 5 minutes. So I do get both sides.
 
May 24, 2013
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After reading it sounds like she was looking for an excuse to quit. I'm sorry, a player that is brought on and you're made to believe they will play immediately and then it turns out they weren't cleared is your excuse for not trusting Lombardi and treating that like a lie? Pretty flimsy lie. Plus she stated they already knew about the AD/Mike White scenario. She pretty much spells it out that the team wasn't up to her expectations and that their Utopian softball world was over when White left. And this is all fine. I get it.

DD was in a similar situation. Last year she transferred from a JUCO to a 4 year school. She really liked the school and loved the coach that recruited her. A week before school starts and the coach resigns for another job. The coach they brought in looked great on paper and had actually emailed DD trying to recruit her to his former school. This coach turned out to be a disaster. After watching several games last year and listening to DD I really questioned this guys ability to coach. I could tell lots of stories about it. Bottom line I asked her to go through the fall season to gauge where things were at and she was torn. After the Christmas break and she got back on campus practice started. She went through a couple practices and she felt nothing had changed. The only reason she could find to play was that this would be her last year. Everything else was negative and made her miserable. I told her to leave the team if it was truly going to make her miserable. She met with the coach and told him that team was not a good fit for her and she was leaving. The coach didn't even really get into the why. Just said he was disappointed. Meeting took less than 5 minutes. So I do get both sides.

That player was going to be the #1 catcher on the team. That's a pretty significant factor for the #1 pitcher.
 

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