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My daughter has to get better at asking that question. How do you normally ask it?
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My daughter has to get better at asking that question. How do you normally ask it?
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"Coach, can you tell me what your interest level is in me as a player, and if you see me being a part of your program?"
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At my daughters school a 90 is a B heck even a 92 is a B and an 84 is a C, they don't even have + or -. It's very frustrationg for her to get a 92 in a class and it only be worth 3.0 towards her GPA.
Yep, that 2019 'verbal committed' recruit isn't going to help you this year when your SS transferred, your CF dropped out and 3-5 kids just decided not to play next year. There is a rush on unsigned seniors (and often signed seniors) who can play right after many college seasons are over and they know who is probably not coming back next year.
The signed senior who de-commits and goes to another school causes a huge ripple effect. (e.g. last year a pitcher de-committed from one ACC school to go to a better ACC school. In all that probably changed the colleges of maybe 6 other players)
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I never thought about that scenario! I hope my DD doesn't have to wait that long. She has her eye on a few schools but one in particular that she would sign at tomorrow if they asked!! We go back to them in November. Fingers crossed!!!!
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Speaking of grades, anyone know (in general) what the grade / test score "inflation" is for HS softball athletes looking to get recruited?
What do I mean? Some D1 schools are in high demand. For example, to get accepted to UCLA for the typical, non-athlete HS student, you realistically need a 4.40 (average weighted GPA), take mostly AP classes and get high test scores on the AP exams, SAT and/or ACT, and significant and meaningful extracurricular activities. And you still might not get accepted.
What would the average softball player's HS grades, classes, and test scores look like compared to the incoming college freshman class. For example, could that stud pitcher get recruited by UCLA with a 3.30 and little or no AP classes and average test scores?
What do I mean? Some D1 schools are in high demand. For example, to get accepted to UCLA for the typical, non-athlete HS student, you realistically need a 4.40 (average weighted GPA), take mostly AP classes and get high test scores on the AP exams, SAT and/or ACT, and significant and meaningful extracurricular activities. And you still might not get accepted.
What would the average softball player's HS grades, classes, and test scores look like compared to the incoming college freshman class. For example, could that stud pitcher get recruited by UCLA with a 3.30 and little or no AP classes and average test scores?
We had an very informative meeting with the academic adviser of my DD's college choice in January. While athletes who meet the minimum NCAA requirements can get into school, the "schools within the school" (engineering, nursing, medical, ect) are much more selective. My DD told the academic adviser that she wanted to go into nursing. The adviser said "great, but just so you know, we had 600 applicants for 60 spots last year". What are the chances of my DD getting one of those 60 spots if she had a 3.30 GPA with no AP classes when competing with students with a 4.40 GPA with AP classes?
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I wouldn't worry a lot about how a HS calculates GPA. Schools send along their HS Profile when a kid submits an application to a college. They describe their grading system, how many AP and Honors courses they offer, info on rank (if they rank - our HS does not), average SAT/ACT scores, etc.
At our HS, there are years where no one has a 4.40. 4.6 is our AP/Honors course GPA for an A+ (98.5%+). There are very, very few A+ grades in AP courses at our school, and then consider that you must take some unweighted courses (PE, Health), and you'll see that it is near impossible to hit that GPA.
One question for Acatchersmom - Why is the January 2016 SAT the first SAT she is taking? That is the last sitting for the current 2400 SAT format. If she likes that format, she will not have the chance to take that format again. I'm not sure how I would handle testing for a 2017 with the changing SAT, but just something to consider.
Different schools give different amounts of leeway on test scores for a stud athlete. I recall at one D3 clinic at a NESCAC school the coach said the minimum they could work with was about 28 ACT or 1850 SAT. She said that it would make her life a lot easier if a player has 2100+ SAT or 32+ ACT. I know a kid who plays a sport at an Ivy (female, not softball) who is a stud player and got in with 1800 SAT (she did not do as well on the ACT). As a non-URM, without the recruited athlete hook, she never would get into an Ivy - probably looking at minimum 2200 SAT for an unhooked kid.
In the right sport at the right school, scores can be pretty low. The Duke basketball team reportedly has an average SAT score 400 points lower than the general student body (that is on the 1600 scale).
At our HS, there are years where no one has a 4.40. 4.6 is our AP/Honors course GPA for an A+ (98.5%+). There are very, very few A+ grades in AP courses at our school, and then consider that you must take some unweighted courses (PE, Health), and you'll see that it is near impossible to hit that GPA.
One question for Acatchersmom - Why is the January 2016 SAT the first SAT she is taking? That is the last sitting for the current 2400 SAT format. If she likes that format, she will not have the chance to take that format again. I'm not sure how I would handle testing for a 2017 with the changing SAT, but just something to consider.
Different schools give different amounts of leeway on test scores for a stud athlete. I recall at one D3 clinic at a NESCAC school the coach said the minimum they could work with was about 28 ACT or 1850 SAT. She said that it would make her life a lot easier if a player has 2100+ SAT or 32+ ACT. I know a kid who plays a sport at an Ivy (female, not softball) who is a stud player and got in with 1800 SAT (she did not do as well on the ACT). As a non-URM, without the recruited athlete hook, she never would get into an Ivy - probably looking at minimum 2200 SAT for an unhooked kid.
In the right sport at the right school, scores can be pretty low. The Duke basketball team reportedly has an average SAT score 400 points lower than the general student body (that is on the 1600 scale).
Regarding minimum requirements: I found this site to be very helpful: Home - Tier One Athletics
Generally, the Academic Index (a compilation of GPA and test scores) for a recruited athlete can be one standard deviation below the AI of the general student population.
My daughter was recruited by a few of the NESCAC schools; they liked her 30 ACT and 4.3 weighted/3.85 unweighted GPA.
From my experience with the college search process this past summer, I agree with JAD. Some of the programs in the larger schools can be extremely hard to get accepted into. DD is in the process of applying to one of these very competitive programs. I am fairly confident that she will be accepted into another college at this school, but we're all keeping our fingers crossed regarding this one particular program!
If you want to use softball/athletics as a "hook" - I might go the Ivy or NESCAC route (or other small, highly academic schools) since more programs will be open to you.
Generally, the Academic Index (a compilation of GPA and test scores) for a recruited athlete can be one standard deviation below the AI of the general student population.
My daughter was recruited by a few of the NESCAC schools; they liked her 30 ACT and 4.3 weighted/3.85 unweighted GPA.
From my experience with the college search process this past summer, I agree with JAD. Some of the programs in the larger schools can be extremely hard to get accepted into. DD is in the process of applying to one of these very competitive programs. I am fairly confident that she will be accepted into another college at this school, but we're all keeping our fingers crossed regarding this one particular program!
If you want to use softball/athletics as a "hook" - I might go the Ivy or NESCAC route (or other small, highly academic schools) since more programs will be open to you.
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