Thoughts after College Reverse Exposure Tournament

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Cannonball

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I spent today watching a Reverse Exposure Tournament in our area. I probably saw 10 college teams play. There were a lot of young ladies in attendance watching and so, each diamond, you could see these young ladies go watch teams that, I would suppose, they are interested in attending. There were D-II, D-III, JUCOs and NAIA schools participating. Here are some observations:


  • Does anyone teach/coach catching skills? From what I saw, the ability to block a ball in the dirt has been lost. Even basic things like a no throw stance would be advanced for the girls I saw catch. I saw one base runner thrown out all day and these girls have impressive arms when throwing down during warmups. Finally, I saw signs all day long when standing behind the screen. What is more basic than knowing where to put your hand when giving signs?
  • In at least half of the games I saw, dads were sitting alongside the team fence line and dads were giving dd's instruction. That would never fly on my dd's former team. One dad actually yelled at a coach from the fence line outside the on deck circle.
  • Bunt defense is a thing of the past.
  • The change and the rise are the two dominant pitches. Today, it seemed that the change really messed people up.
  • One team had 30 players on its roster. How can you coach that many effectively. It was an NAIA school and so, I would suppose it has a JV schedule.
  • I saw 4 infield fly situations. Not one was called out loud by the umpires. In fact, the dad I always sit by asked me if we might not know the rule anymore. LOL
  • I saw fewer slappers today than I have seen in the past.
  • There are some quality pitchers at every level of this game. We saw a bunch of games and I think a lot of these players could play at a higher level than what they currently are.
  • I saw one team play the same players the entire game when most teams subbed each inning. There was free substitution and they batted roster if they wanted. Naturally, the team with 30 didn't bat roster.
  • You can really tell which teams have a weight program and which teams have a wait program.
  • There were teams who were to play on Saturday against certain teams who refused to play those teams. How do you get better not playing?
  • On a personal note, when my dd's former team played, it was tough for her and us to watch the games knowing that she no longer can play. I think it was a lot harder on her than she thought it would be.

Edited to add:

Here is a link to the tournament website:

http://www.fontbonnegriffins.com/sports/sball/2015-16/files/2015_Reverse_Exposure.pdf
 
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Cannonball

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For about half of those bulletpoints above, I could have sworn you were referring to the 12U tourney I was at this past weekend.

My thoughts exactly. I was really surprised at what I saw. I took a walk around at one point just to see some of the other schools and was absolutely amazed at what I saw for college teams. BTW, I could have added another bullet point. The hitters seemed to be pretty good. That doesn't surprise me as hitting has become a major industry and so, I would think that most of these players have had private instruction for a very long time.
 
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Was at a showcase this weekend where college teams were playing alongside showcase teams. Great opportunity for players and parents to see the college teams. One showcase team scrimmaged (and beat) and pretty decent D-II team.
 
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Was at a showcase this weekend where college teams were playing alongside showcase teams.

We were at a similar event this weekend as well. Some local D1 and D2s. Play was generally pretty good but errors were made. Hitting was good. Solid contact from a lot of different players. This made for a very long day. 18U started at 8:30 followed by college teams. We played 3 they played 2 and we left at 6:30.
 

Cannonball

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Can't speak for any of the other events but at the one we went to, many of the starters from last year didn't play as much as the new freshmen for dd's former team. For example, their #1 only pitched the final inning or two each game. The incoming frosh pitched 3 or 4 innings each game. There were several positions up for grabs and so, freshmen were alternating in those positions every inning. While not trying to be mean, there were a couple of players who will never see the field when the real season begins. JMHO!
 
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Kids aren't getting those fundamentals you mentioned in travel ball or high school. So many things to cover once they get to college that should have been covered at the younger levels. Watch how many travel teams run their cuts and relays with the pitcher standing on the mound.
 
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Kids aren't getting those fundamentals you mentioned in travel ball or high school. So many things to cover once they get to college that should have been covered at the younger levels. Watch how many travel teams run their cuts and relays with the pitcher standing on the mound.

Problem is that older/top travel teams have players so spread out that they can't practice, so team play (bunt coverage, relays, anything that takes teamwork) is neglected. Even bunting and stealing bases and sliding get rusty because those aren't things that players work much on their own. Too busy with the meal ticket - pitching or hitting.

Also, in defense of the players, another issue is that getting recruited has become a very time-intensive endeavor. Lots of time spent traveling to showcases, traveling to camps, playing all the time, getting exposed. Then they're told they should be working on strength/agility. And the most important thing is your grades. And be well-rounded. Don't let softball run your life. It's pretty hard to have all the fundamentals when you get to college. I'm not sure it's possible for the average kid to have a high-level swing and throw, a model slide and bunt, and mastery of defensive strategy, and a 3.8 GPA before age 18. Most are going to need some coaching when they get to college.

I know that's not what you're saying, but just pointing out some of the challenges. Hitting is the hardest thing to do in sports. Takes a helluva lot of time to develop a hitter so she can rake in college. Then you find out she can't bunt. Softball is hard. :)
 
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Problem is that older/top travel teams have players so spread out that they can't practice, so team play (bunt coverage, relays, anything that takes teamwork) is neglected. Even bunting and stealing bases and sliding get rusty because those aren't things that players work much on their own. Too busy with the meal ticket - pitching or hitting.

Also, in defense of the players, another issue is that getting recruited has become a very time-intensive endeavor. Lots of time spent traveling to showcases, traveling to camps, playing all the time, getting exposed. Then they're told they should be working on strength/agility. And the most important thing is your grades. And be well-rounded. Don't let softball run your life. It's pretty hard to have all the fundamentals when you get to college. I'm not sure it's possible for the average kid to have a high-level swing and throw, a model slide and bunt, and mastery of defensive strategy, and a 3.8 GPA before age 18. Most are going to need some coaching when they get to college.

I know that's not what you're saying, but just pointing out some of the challenges. Hitting is the hardest thing to do in sports. Takes a helluva lot of time to develop a hitter so she can rake in college. Then you find out she can't bunt. Softball is hard. :)

You bring up some good points. IME preparing a player to get recruited into college versus building a championship TB team are two different and at times conflicting endeavors.
 
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Totally understand your points Coogan's Bluff. But you can't say "in defense of the players" on one hand, and then criticize the college coaches on the other hand. And I'm not saying you and Cannonball are guilty of either.......I think the whole focus on recruiting and winning travel ball tournaments is really affecting the game--it's just reinforcing the me first entitlement issue, and it's forcing kids to get individual instruction when they should be spending more time with the team. There are a lot of great coaches at the travel, high school, ad college levels, but I've seen some pretty pathetic coaches as well who should either spend more time learning their craft, or get out of coaching if they're not in it to teach the kids the proper way to play the game.
 

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