Sport Psychology Skeptics...

JJsqueeze said:

They been castin hexes down in the holler.

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She turned me into a newt!

I thought Ricky Schorder did a good job playing Newt in Lonesome Dove. I thought the mustache in the end was a bit cheesy.

I do subscribe to the importance of sport psychology in so far as one's head can surely create a lot of internal strife making it next to impossible to function at a high level. Think MLB player going 0-10 at the plate and then seeing him reach way across the plate trying to hit something 10 inches off the plate. I also think it is possible to channel the good that comes from a positive streak.

Onegame- I read your website and this post and l like what you are trying to do. Looks like you are a young woman trying to build a career that combines her playing/coaching and psychology background. I don't agree with everything you posted but in general I agree that the mental side of the game is not taught well enough or focused on enough. Looks like you are practicing what you preach though and that always deserves respect.

JJsqueeze said:

Onegame- I read your website and this post and l like what you are trying to do. Looks like you are a young woman trying to build a career that combines her playing/coaching and psychology background. I don't agree with everything you posted but in general I agree that the mental side of the game is not taught well enough or focused on enough. Looks like you are practicing what you preach though and that always deserves respect.

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I appreciate the praise. I wanted a career that would incorporate all the hard work I've put into athletics. Not to mention the lessons I've learned and skills I've acquired. My goal is to merely share my passion with others in hopes to enhance their lives as it has my own.

Sorry – I cannot help myself in seeing GOOD philosophical debate (that we can take to another thread or even a different blog-house outside of DFP):

nanotech14 said:

Sorry, this isn't really the place for my comment, but here it goes. Why in this country, do we feel that if we feel sad or anger, do we have to give someone meds. or have to see a Psychologist to talk. We medicate are children more then all European countries combined. If a kid acts up or seems to not stay focused in school. We say they have ADD and here are some pills. Maybe it is the way we teach are children in the State Run Schools. Maybe all children don't have to conform to the model, that has been forced in the education system. Sorry again

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I share allot of the same sentiments on what yer saying here Nano. But I have to challenge one aspect that I am not sure you’re even defending => Why should we give a lick about what the screwed-up Europeans do or don’t do?!?! Where/When/How did Europeans become the standard for anything especially when most European countries are tanking faster than ours!

JJsqueeze said:

That is one ideologically packed, completely ignorant paragraph.

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JJ my friend – please be careful on what you might currently believe is automatically “ignorant” by mainstream American standards. ALWAYS remember that many many times in history large mainstream populations have been very very wrong. Even when current “produced science” at that time has given an image to support something. I am sure the dude who said the earth was round was called ignorant by masses too….

And I aint sorry ;-)

RubberBiscuit said:

Sorry – I cannot help myself in seeing GOOD philosophical debate (that we can take to another thread or even a different blog-house outside of DFP):



I share allot of the same sentiments on what yer saying here Nano. But I have to challenge one aspect that I am not sure you’re even defending => Why should we give a lick about what the screwed-up Europeans do or don’t do?!?! Where/When/How did Europeans become the standard for anything especially when most European countries are tanking faster than ours!




JJ my friend – please be careful on what you might currently believe is automatically “ignorant” by mainstream American standards. ALWAYS remember that many many times in history large mainstream populations have been very very wrong. Even when current “produced science” at that time has given an image to support something. I am sure the dude who said the earth was round was called ignorant by masses too….

And I aint sorry ;-)

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The ignorance I was referring to was the capitalized "State Run" school (implies a conspiracy theorist take on American schools-like there is one big monolithic school system, when in fact there are many, many individual school districts, schools and teachers- some good some bad, but no brainwashing really going on here, also do we include world class universities in this? UCLA, GA TECH, Rutgers? all state run).

Second point of ignorance was cross contaminating the discussion about America's addiction to pills with psychology. two entirely different things. This whole confusing psychiatry with psychology thing is just plain dumb. It's like confusing Podiatry with Pottery.

Last point of ignorance- Grouping pill poppers with people who want to talk to a professional about their issues. This is the same mentality that keeps real psychological issues like PTSD in our combat troops from being properly addressed.

Now-I have never needed to see a psychologist, or better stated, I may have the need but have never seen one, but I do not scoff at those who do and the friends I have in the field do good work and help people.

As for going along with mainstream America- there is no such thing, it is a useless two word sound bite used to categorize and dismiss people from either side of a debate.

Now as for sports psychology-it is valuable and to dismiss it out of hand is foolish (see BS detector remark). bottom line is that someone posted something and it was immediately dismissed due to what looks like ideology and not on the merit of the post or the poster.

I will say that in every post, you have at the bottom " don't you dare cry in this dugout". So the very saying that you have in your post is pure ignorance. You must find that crying is a sign of weakness or an emotion that is not warranted on a softball field. I find that if a person cries, it can help cleanse the body, mind and soul. I don't mind if you feel that my comment on the State Run schools is wrong, but you are wrong. Their are many different school systems in this country, but where your logic runs a ground is that there is no standards set up by the state. What is the The U.S. Department of education and who decides their policies?

nanotech14 said:

I will say that in every post, you have at the bottom " don't you dare cry in this dugout". So the very saying that you have in your post is pure ignorance. You must find that crying is a sign of weakness or an emotion that is not warranted on a softball field. I find that if a person cries, it can help cleanse the body, mind and soul. I don't mind if you feel that my comment on the State Run schools is wrong, but you are wrong. Their are many different school systems in this country, but where your logic runs a ground is that there is no standards set up by the state. What is the The U.S. Department of education and who decides their policies?

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I wish this made sense so I had something to respond to. See what happens when we go off topic? AGAIN- sports psychology has merit and should not be dismissed out of hand. Even your comment about my tagline is a form of sprots psychology, so why dismiss it so easily?

JJsqueeze said:

The ignorance I was referring to was the capitalized "State Run" school (implies a conspiracy theorist take on American schools-like there is one big monolithic school system, when in fact there are many, many individual school districts, schools and teachers- some good some bad, but no brainwashing really going on here, also do we include world class universities in this? UCLA, GA TECH, Rutgers? all state run)..

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I agree that every school isn't as repeatable as walking into a McDonalds (not that I go to McDonalds...) BUT I have to disagree with the sentiment that there is not a general conformance to a code that a mainstream teacher prescribes to (be it from unions, national testing standards, etc)

JJsqueeze said:

Second point of ignorance was cross contaminating the discussion about America's addiction to pills with psychology. two entirely different things. This whole confusing psychiatry with psychology thing is just plain dumb. It's like confusing Podiatry with Pottery..

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Very good clarification on "words vs pills" with "psycho vs psychi". BUT they are VERY closely related inside the bigger picture of getting-to-be monolithic health systems.

JJsqueeze said:

Last point of ignorance- Grouping pill poppers with people who want to talk to a professional about their issues. This is the same mentality that keeps real psychological issues like PTSD in our combat troops from being properly addressed. .

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Yup

JJsqueeze said:

Now-I have never needed to see a psychologist, or better stated, I may have the need but have never seen one, but I do not scoff at those who do and the friends I have in the field do good work and help people..

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Yes - there are one or two good politicians too even though I generalize and bash them all....

JJsqueeze said:

As for going along with mainstream America- there is no such thing, it is a useless two word sound bite used to categorize and dismiss people from either side of a debate..

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Completely disagree. There IS a mainstream that sucks on the exhaust pipe of major media outlets without doing any confirming of issues on their own.

JJsqueeze said:

Now as for sports psychology-it is valuable and to dismiss it out of hand is foolish (see BS detector remark). bottom line is that someone posted something and it was immediately dismissed due to what looks like ideology and not on the merit of the post or the poster.

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Good challenge

See America - we CAN debate without hate!!!

RubberBiscuit said:

I agree that every school isn't as repeatable as walking into a McDonalds (not that I go to McDonalds...) BUT I have to disagree with the sentiment that there is not a general conformance to a code that a mainstream teacher prescribes to (be it from unions, national testing standards, etc)



Very good clarification on "words vs pills" with "psycho vs psychi". BUT they are VERY closely related inside the bigger picture of getting-to-be monolithic health systems.



Yup




Yes - there are one or two good politicians too even though I generalize and bash them all....



Completely disagree. There IS a mainstream that sucks on the exhaust pipe of major media outlets without doing any confirming of issues on their own.


Good challenge

See America - we CAN debate without hate!!!

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now you go and get all reasonable on me....

The one point I want to refute again is the mainstream America....my point is that it means different things to different people. On one side it is a Hollywood worshipping, Christ denying, Liberal, Abortion loving hedonistic group. The other side thinks of Mainstream America as Bible thumping, Gun toting, book burners. I find all Americans I meet are generally hard working, good people that straddle both. So the Mainstream America I hear referred to by both sides of the great divide does not exist for me.