+1 on this.... 11 more runs would have made the 12 let in ok as well.... your entire team failed to put more runs up than the other team... not the pitchers having a bad day. I can't imagine singling out a girl for a loss at any level of play.
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+1 on this.... 11 more runs would have made the 12 let in ok as well.... your entire team failed to put more runs up than the other team... not the pitchers having a bad day. I can't imagine singling out a girl for a loss at any level of play.
If you ''trust the girls to know what is going on,'' then why did you need to tell the team who lost the game? Did you not trust that those who lost the game felt bad enough about it? Was calling them out going to make them pitch better? Or do they need to feel ashamed to pitch better? If it shame helps, why not call them out when the score was 11-7? If they had pitched better then, maybe you win. Just doesn't make sense to me.
JJsqueeze
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agreed-To each his own. The main point is there is a time and a place for various rewards and punishments and these kids are tougher and smarter than a lot of people give them credit for and yes, IMHO there is even a place for crossing the sacred "we win and lose as a team" mindset and calling them out in front of their teams.
I would actually flip the script and ask why exactly is it so important to have a blanket rule to NEVER single out a kid or kids in a team sport environment for a loss?
I would actually flip the script and ask why exactly is it so important to have a blanket rule to NEVER single out a kid or kids in a team sport environment for a loss?
I hope you don't believe that THIS is the reason we disagree. The disagreement is over the value of punishment in coaching or teaching. It has nothing to do with how smart or tough that we consider kids to be. Couldn't I just as easily argue that you didn't you think your pitchers were not smart enough to know that their poor play led to defeat, and that you had to tell them that?
JJsqueeze
Dad, Husband....legend
wow- did I hit the hornets nest or what.
As a bulk answer, I will say that the substitution options were very limited at pitcher. I think 11 run lead with one inning to go says that the bats did their job. I didn't say this to make them feel better, worse or really any regard to their emotions or mine. The point was to tell the truth, and the truth was that this was not a team loss, it was our only two pitchers collapsing and not finishing off a game. as simple as that. I realize this is sacred cow area, I realized it before I said it to the team and I realized it when I posted. I guess my point is why have sacred cows? And maybe, just maybe there is a time and a place for this. Agree/disagree, I respect that, but do realize you were not there so try not to extrapolate this too far.
As a bulk answer, I will say that the substitution options were very limited at pitcher. I think 11 run lead with one inning to go says that the bats did their job. I didn't say this to make them feel better, worse or really any regard to their emotions or mine. The point was to tell the truth, and the truth was that this was not a team loss, it was our only two pitchers collapsing and not finishing off a game. as simple as that. I realize this is sacred cow area, I realized it before I said it to the team and I realized it when I posted. I guess my point is why have sacred cows? And maybe, just maybe there is a time and a place for this. Agree/disagree, I respect that, but do realize you were not there so try not to extrapolate this too far.
I'm just trying to understand the "why" to do that. Here is who already knew the pitchers blew the lead; the players, the umpires, the parents, the other teams players, the other teams parents, the coaches, and last but not least.... the pitchers.
So if everyone already knew the situation, why call them out on it? What purpose did it serve? That is the part I am trying to understand. You say why have sacred cows? Well how about confidence? This game is actually more about confidence in yourself than anything else. (well I guess if you really suck, it doesn't matter how much confidence you have
).
So if everyone already knew the situation, why call them out on it? What purpose did it serve? That is the part I am trying to understand. You say why have sacred cows? Well how about confidence? This game is actually more about confidence in yourself than anything else. (well I guess if you really suck, it doesn't matter how much confidence you have
).
JJsqueeze
Dad, Husband....legend
I'm just trying to understand the "why" to do that. Here is who already knew the pitchers blew the lead; the players, the umpires, the parents, the other teams players, the other teams parents, the coaches, and last but not least.... the pitchers.
So if everyone already knew the situation, why call them out on it? What purpose did it serve? That is the part I am trying to understand. You say why have sacred cows? Well how about confidence? This game is actually more about confidence in yourself than anything else. (well I guess if you really suck, it doesn't matter how much confidence you have
That's totally fair, I did it for the shock value of it. they had heard their whole lives that "we win as a team and we lose as a team". I've said it countless times and each time I believed it. In this situation I just did not see a team loss so I instinctively told them what I honestly saw. I wanted the rest of the team to know they did an outstanding job on defense and at the plate, heck, my DD pitcher hit a home run. I wanted them to know that this loss was all pitching. The other reason was that as much as we say these things, the brutal honesty is that some positions have more responsibility and impact in certain sports. And pitchers bear a lot more load than any other single position. I did not want our two pitchers to have even a thread of a chance of rationalizing their performance as a team loss. I really wanted them to stew in it and decide if they want to be pitchers or not. I don't know if I would have done this with two different girls in the same situation, but with these two it felt entirely appropriate. Like I said, I can envision the exact same scenario with two different pitchers and I would have felt this was completely wrong. As an update, my DD bounced back the next day with a good outing (her last of the season) and has not shown any signs of emotional trauma and still thinks she's a good pitcher.
Maybe coach should have gone to #3 at some point when the wheels had already come off for #1 & #2 in a 12 run inning. Could be a coach loss as much as a pitching loss IMO.
Personally I would not call out a player for a loss. At some age (I don't know when that is, maybe 16 and up) I could see calling out a team leader for poor play as motivation if team was in a slump.
I got you. I have done that too EXCEPT it wasn't in front of the team, and I didn't blame them for loosing. I have pulled many players aside and talked about different aspects of their play. As I have said before, girls are very nasty to each other, and I just don't want to open any sort of cans
Pine applied liberally to the backside works wonders.
A coach has to be willing to bench the team's best player. You bench your top 2 or 3 players for failing to play hard, and the rest of the team will fall in line.
