Scorebook Question(s)

ASA rules - scoring a regular game:

1.) Bases loaded, 1 out. Fly ball hit to shortstop about 2-3 steps behind grass/infield line - Infield Fly is called and fly ball is caught. What is the correct marking in the scorebook? (F6, etc.)

1a.) Same situation above with Infield Fly - ball pops out of SS's glove to the ground, and R3 scores. Credit an RBI or no? I assume not because the runner advanced on her own peril and not because of the batter.

2.) 0-2 count on the batter, next pitch is foul-tipped for strike 3. What's the correct marking? (K - 2U, etc.)

Just wanted to be sure of what to put in the book. Thanks.

1. F6.
1a. No RBI, but not because the runner advanced on her own peril. Rather, because the runner scored because of the error.
2. Same as another other K. I believe that unassisted outs are only those in which a fielder takes the ball to the base for a putout. For example, grounder to first baseman, who fields, touches first base. I've never heard of caught third strikes or caught fly balls referred to as unassisted putouts.

gdc03120 said:

ASA rules - scoring a regular game:

1.) Bases loaded, 1 out. Fly ball hit to shortstop about 2-3 steps behind grass/infield line - Infield Fly is called and fly ball is caught. What is the correct marking in the scorebook? (F6, etc.)
The batter is out as soon as IFF is called and F6 gets credit for the putout being the nearest fielder regardless of whether they catch it or not. I'd probably mark it IFF6.

1a.) Same situation above with Infield Fly - ball pops out of SS's glove to the ground, and R3 scores. Credit an RBI or no? I assume not because the runner advanced on her own peril and not because of the batter.
It is scorer's judgement on whether the runner would have scored anyway without the error. I recall a WCWS runner scored on an infield fly to F6 a few years ago.

2.) 0-2 count on the batter, next pitch is foul-tipped for strike 3. What's the correct marking? (K - 2U, etc.)

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Catchers get credit for an unassisted putout on all caught 3rd strikes, so 2U isn't necessary on the foul tip and would likely be interpreted as catcher tagged batter after D3K.

I agree with CoogansBluff and SoCal_Dad. I'd like to know if F6 attempted a throw home on R3, whether it was a good throw from 6-2, and if it was close or considerably late.

1. IF/F6 for batter-runner.
1a. IF/F6 for batter runner. If R3 would've made it home safely regardless of dropped ball by F6 it is indeed a judgement call to score the play. Most likely a SACF with RBI or a stolen base. If R3 would not have made it home safely on caught IF by F6, then E6 for R3 on the score.
2. K (swinging).

SoAZDad said:

I'd like to know if F6 attempted a throw home on R3, whether it was a good throw from 6-2, and if it was close or considerably late.

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No throw was made if referring to (1a). The fly ball was dropped from the fielder's glove, and the runner was about 15 feet down the basepath. A throw would've been at a poor angle and I feel it would've been either a.) Overthrown to the catcher or b.) Hit the runner in the back.

gdc03120 said:

No throw was made if referring to (1a). The fly ball was dropped from the fielder's glove, and the runner was about 15 feet down the basepath. A throw would've been at a poor angle and I feel it would've been either a.) Overthrown to the catcher or b.) Hit the runner in the back.

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An infield fly can be ruled a sacrifice fly - if you judge that the runner would've beaten an ordinary throw at the level you're playing.

It's a judgment call, but if you're playing at a rec level where an accurate throw from deep short (in the grass) to the catcher is a Hail Mary, then yeah, I think you can make an argument for the sac-fly there.

gdc03120 said:

No throw was made if referring to (1a). The fly ball was dropped from the fielder's glove, and the runner was about 15 feet down the basepath. A throw would've been at a poor angle and I feel it would've been either a.) Overthrown to the catcher or b.) Hit the runner in the back.

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Then I'd probably score the batter-runner out (IF/F6), and the R3 scores on E6. Unearned.

gdc03120 said:

No throw was made if referring to (1a). The fly ball was dropped from the fielder's glove, and the runner was about 15 feet down the basepath. A throw would've been at a poor angle and I feel it would've been either a.) Overthrown to the catcher or b.) Hit the runner in the back.

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The runner would have to tag up if it was caught, so I doubt they could have scored on a catch. Sounds like E6 as long as the catch only required ordinary effort.

BTW, runners are numbered in the order they reached base, not by the base, so a runner on 3B is R1.

Here's an article about the WCWS infield sac fly - Mack Has USF Off Balance; Softball Alive in WCWS.

CoogansBluff said:

An infield fly can be ruled a sacrifice fly - if you judge that the runner would've beaten an ordinary throw at the level you're playing.

It's a judgment call, but if you're playing at a rec level where an accurate throw from deep short (in the grass) to the catcher is a Hail Mary, then yeah, I think you can make an argument for the sac-fly there.

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if you're playing at the rec level it's 10 to 1 against the runner at 3rd even knowing they can tag up.