Dropped "pitch"... ball or no pitch?

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Jun 28, 2016
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NJ
Game (12U) played in the rain yesterday, the pitcher had the ball squirt out of her hand during her wind-up and it slowly rolled sideways toward the first base foul line. Everyone stood there and watched it roll. The umpire didn't say anything until it across the foul line, at which point he called it a ball.

1) Was that the right call, or should it have been no pitch?
2) If the first baseman had ran over and picked it up prior to it going foul, would it have been a no pitch? What about the catcher? Or the pitcher herself?
3) If the ball had just stopped in the dirt without anyone touching it, what then?
4) Could the baserunners have taken off while it was rolling? What about after the call of "ball"?
 
Apr 17, 2012
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Wi
Live ball runners may advance at own risk. Ball on the batter. Runners can continue for as long they want at own risk.
 
Jun 28, 2016
34
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NJ
Did it matter if the ball crossed the foul line or not? Umpire seemed to be deliberately waiting for it to cross before calling it a ball. (Maybe he was just amused by the sight of everyone just standing there watching it roll.)
 

JAD

Feb 20, 2012
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Georgia
Did it matter if the ball crossed the foul line or not? Umpire seemed to be deliberately waiting for it to cross before calling it a ball. (Maybe he was just amused by the sight of everyone just standing there watching it roll.)

My guess is once it crossed the caulk into foul territory it officially became a ball. Kind of like when the pitcher throws a wild pitch over the catchers head. It becomes a ball as soon as it leaves the playing field, not when the catcher picks it up, it is still a live ball and runners can advance.
 
Feb 29, 2012
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I would think its a ball the moment the ball touches the ground. Shouldn't matter if it reaches the foul line or not. The ump was probably just waiting to see if anyone was going to get the ball
 

MTR

Jun 22, 2008
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Did it matter if the ball crossed the foul line or not? Umpire seemed to be deliberately waiting for it to cross before calling it a ball. (Maybe he was just amused by the sight of everyone just standing there watching it roll.)

No, it doesn't
 
Mar 13, 2010
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Columbus, Ohio
The pitch crossing the foul line or not can determine a balk in baseball.

That rule doesn't apply in softball! A pitched ball that slips out of the pitchers hand during her windup is still a pitch, just like any other. It could be batted into play, you could have a hit batter, it's a ball or strike depending on its relationship to the strike zone, runners can advance, etc, etc.
 
May 30, 2013
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Binghamton, NY
I always thought that if the ball slips from the pitchers hand (like on the backswing) and does not travel forward, then it's a "no pitch"?
 
Jun 22, 2008
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I always thought that if the ball slips from the pitchers hand (like on the backswing) and does not travel forward, then it's a "no pitch"?

Once the pitcher has brought the hands together and separated, the pitch has begun. Once the pitch has begun, it must either be a ball or a strike and it doesnt matter in which direction the ball goes.
 

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