Overturn a judgement call

Scenario:

I am the first base coach so the play literally happened 3 feet in front of me. Ground ball in between 1st and 2nd. 2nd base fields it and it running to step on first. She stepped short and missed the base. Base ump calls her out. I said "she's not on the base" girl then puts her foot on the base, but the base ump saw it and signaled her safe. So the base ump changed her own call.

The play was never appealed by anyone to the home plate ump. He interjected and said we had to go with the out call as it is a judgement call and couldnt be changed.


My question has nothing to do with this play as to whether she was out or safe, but rather is this correct in that you cant correct a judgement call?

The fact she didn't have her foot on the base is actually an appealable play.

Only time I saw MS coach mad was when there was a play at 1st and the field ump was blocked, made the wrong call which was OK.

HC asked field ump if he would consult the plate ump who had a better look at the play.

Field ump granted the request and asked the home ump, home ump said he wasn't watching. The fun began.

You can ask them to confer but that is about it.

inde53546 said:

The fact she didn't have her foot on the base is actually an appealable play.

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what exactly do you mean (appeal for help?)...you can't appeal that; it is a judgement call that happens dozens of times every game.

I am pulling the go pro off the backstop to show them they made a mistake.

This will go well for me right?

Hawkeyes said:

Scenario:

I am the first base coach so the play literally happened 3 feet in front of me. Ground ball in between 1st and 2nd. 2nd base fields it and it running to step on first. She stepped short and missed the base. Base ump calls her out. I said "she's not on the base" girl then puts her foot on the base, but the base ump saw it and signaled her safe. So the base ump changed her own call.

The play was never appealed by anyone to the home plate ump. He interjected and said we had to go with the out call as it is a judgement call and couldnt be changed.


My question has nothing to do with this play as to whether she was out or safe, but rather is this correct in that you cant correct a judgement call?

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Obviously these guys don't know what they are doing but they should learn. Stop and think about it what if you called out on the tag and then the ball comes out of her glove...do you not get to change the call because you call out first? This is what actually happens when an ump asks for help from another umpire he takes that information and can decide whether or not to change his call.

inde53546 said:

The fact she didn't have her foot on the base is actually an appealable play.

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It happened on the backside of the base and there is no way the home plate ump would have had a better view of the play than the base ump

My point was sometimes 1 ump has a better view then another that is supposed to make the call.

Ask them to talk or ask for help.

You can not appeal that play.

What you are asking about is not an "appeal". It would be requesting one umpire to confer with another about some aspect of the play they may have missed or misinterpreted rule. Nothing in the rule book says an umpire cannot change their call, even a judgement call. It is the calling umpires call to stay with or change, it is completely their decision and any other umpire has no authority to rule any other way.

Comp said:

What you are asking about is not an "appeal". It would be requesting one umpire to confer with another about some aspect of the play they may have missed or misinterpreted rule. Nothing in the rule book says an umpire cannot change their call, even a judgement call. It is the calling umpires call to stay with or change, it is completely their decision and any other umpire has no authority to rule any other way.

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This is what i was thinking as well. The base ump signaled out, and changed it to safe. At that time the home plate ump stopped play and went and talked to the base ump. The base ump did not ask for any assistance. After they conferred, it was changed back to out. Like i mentioned in a previous post, the play happened on the backside of the base so he would not have had a better view of the play. In our discussions with the plate umpire, he continually said that it was a judgement call that couldnt be overturned. He never mentioned anything that he saw the call as differently. After the game we talked more about it and he compared it to balls and strikes and that once you call one you cant change it. I then asked about a play at the plate where the initial call is out, but then the ump noticed the ball was dropped. he told me i was trying to trick him. I chuckled at that