Ump messed up count--Batter called out.

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Jan 22, 2011
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Irrelevant as that is for the tournament and is not a final word reference for the umpire.

MTR- 99% of the time I agree with the umpires in these type discussions, so I'll drop out of this conversation.

In my situation it was a single umpire who called 2-1, which is what me, my batter, and my scorekeeper had, who then called strike 3 on the next pitch.
 
Nov 8, 2014
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Obviously the umpire was sure of the count until it was brought up by the defensive coach. At that point if the evidence proves the umpire was mistaken in the count they have no option but to correct it. Simply saying sorry coach, I announced the count is not an option.


but MTR said: "............ When questioned, an umpire should do whatever s/he can to confirm it. The "home book" isn't really an official reference, but once the umpires settle on a count, that has to be the count, cannot change it after that point

You mention " if evidence proves" and MTR says you should do "whatever she or he can to confirm it." does this mean you will watch a video that some parent is recording, or will you poll the scorekeepers and ask your partner and inquire of the coaches, maybe poll the catcher and the pitcher? Seriously, what will you do to attempt to confirm it? try to re create all of the pitches to sustain your count?
 
Sep 14, 2011
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but MTR said: "............ When questioned, an umpire should do whatever s/he can to confirm it. The "home book" isn't really an official reference, but once the umpires settle on a count, that has to be the count, cannot change it after that point

You mention " if evidence proves" and MTR says you should do "whatever she or he can to confirm it." does this mean you will watch a video that some parent is recording, or will you poll the scorekeepers and ask your partner and inquire of the coaches, maybe poll the catcher and the pitcher? Seriously, what will you do to attempt to confirm it? try to re create all of the pitches to sustain your count?

Well, I ain't watching any videos or polling the audience......

The first resource is your partner....confer and try to get the correct count. If that doesn't work, I would then go to scorekeepers, but it has been my experience that a majority of scorekeepers, at least in my neighborhood, don't keep track of the count. If that doesn't work, I'm making a decision and that's what we're going with. I'm getting pretty old, but I can generally remember what has happened in the last few pitches to be able to re-create a count.
 

MTR

Jun 22, 2008
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MTR- 99% of the time I agree with the umpires in these type discussions, so I'll drop out of this conversation.

In my situation it was a single umpire who called 2-1, which is what me, my batter, and my scorekeeper had, who then called strike 3 on the next pitch.

I didn't say the umpire was correct. I simply stated that what a tournament considers a "home" book is irrelevant when it comes to "official". That is why the official line-up isn't what is in the book, home or otherwise, but what is in the umpire's pocket.

Nor did I say the umpire should ignore the book, but could only be referenced if both books agreed. Now, if there was a tournament-assigned independent scorekeeper, now you have a game official book where there is no association to either team.
 

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