Obstruction and collision at the plate

AndyS · Jul 19, 2015

So the scenario this past week is runner on second. Base hit to left field and as the runner rounds third obstruction signal is given after the runner collides with the 3rd baseman. Runner continues home where she kind of half slides but throws her arms up and creates a collision at the plate. PU rules that he would have ruled the runner out for the collision if it were not for the obstruction. And he would have given her home due to the obstruction if it were not for the collision. But because both obstruction and the collision occurred he put her back on 3rd. Is that a correct call?

This is essentially why I say I want to umpire when my DD is done playing but never make a move to actually do it. No matter how much softball you watch you always see something new.

Comp · Jul 19, 2015

Nfhs rules allow for a runner to be called out for malicious contact, asa, however, has no such provisions. Don't know what rule set you were playing under, but under asa rules if he judged the runner would have reached home absent the obstruction, the runner is awarded home. Then, if the contact warranted an ejection, the runner ner would then be ejected, but the run would score.

The official putting the runner back at third due to the contact at the plate was simply some rule he invented.

After doublchecking usssa rules, they also provide for a runner to be called out for malicious contact.

MTR · Jul 20, 2015

AndyS said:
So the scenario this past week is runner on second. Base hit to left field and as the runner rounds third obstruction signal is given after the runner collides with the 3rd baseman. Runner continues home where she kind of half slides but throws her arms up and creates a collision at the plate. PU rules that he would have ruled the runner out for the collision if it were not for the obstruction. And he would have given her home due to the obstruction if it were not for the collision. But because both obstruction and the collision occurred he put her back on 3rd. Is that a correct call?

This is essentially why I say I want to umpire when my DD is done playing but never make a move to actually do it. No matter how much softball you watch you always see something new.

Not enough info. Did C have the ball at the time of the collision or was the catcher also obstructing the runner?

If the C had the ball, the runner would be out. If the C did not have the ball, then it is a second OBS. If the runner's actions were deemed INT by the umpire, the runner is done for that game as soon as the play is over.

If the umpire judged the runner would have scored sans OBS, there is no scenario which puts the runner back on 3B.

AndyS · Jul 21, 2015

Thanks both of you as always you shed a ton of light on the scenario. It felt like a made-up compromise but I was not sure. Again I feel for you umpires because everytime I think I have seen it all something new and interesting happens. And the PU had to make a decision in the moment. Thanks again for sharing your expertise.

On a completely unrelated sidenote my DD loved how consistent he was with the strike zone.

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