Thread: Video Review -- 2015 Pitcher had some nice weather up here in Washington!

Originally Posted by sluggers

FFS--I've posted it before. But, as you know, people believe what they want to believe.

The data is the data:

(1) Curves and screws get a 2-4 inch break horizontal break.
(2) Drop balls and curves generally get an average of a 5 inch break, with some kids getting a 8 or 9 inch vertical break. (Break is defined as ball movement *IN ADDITION* to that caused by gravity.)
(3) The vast majority of pitches did not have sufficient spin to make the ball move.

If you look at the data, the most important thing for kids to work on is *not* breaking pitches, but control and changing speeds. But, working on control is boring and repetitious--so, Daddies waste time trying to teach their kids four or five breaking pitches.

Bold above .... please provide a link.

Originally Posted by sluggers

FFS--I've posted it before. But, as you know, people believe what they want to believe.

The data is the data:

(1) Curves and screws get a 2-4 inch break horizontal break.
(2) Drop balls and curves generally get an average of a 5 inch break, with some kids getting a 8 or 9 inch vertical break. (Break is defined as ball movement *IN ADDITION* to that caused by gravity.)
(3) The vast majority of pitches did not have sufficient spin to make the ball move.

If you look at the data, the most important thing for kids to work on is *not* breaking pitches, but control and changing speeds. But, working on control is boring and repetitious--so, Daddies waste time trying to teach their kids four or five breaking pitches.

Bold above ..... very interesting conclusion.

Originally Posted by shockcoach

Regardless of whether or not it breaks, the batter swung for a strike. Now if she were in the front of the box......

Um, did you see that batter? After she loads, her first move is the wrong way. I try not to give my pitchers credit for striking out kids that don't know how to hit, rather, give them credit for throwing the pitches they meant to pitch. After the pitch is released, it really is "out of their hands".

-W

Now, here's a video of the best curveball pitcher I know around here. She's a Jr in the same league as my daughter and is committed to Portland State in Oregon ( D-I ).

Is this an optical illusion as well? I sure don't think so. I believe this video should provide another 3-4 pages of debate on the topic. This girl's ball "appears" to move much more than my daughter's.

She has the same pitching coach as my girl:



Sluggers/FFS -- I am not claiming any amount of break. Heck it could be release point/horizontal pitching angle, etc. I respect your opinion. The fact his -- her rise does not drop as much as her fastball. I know this because, like you probably did in the past, I catch hundreds of them and when I when she throws me 20 rises or so, in the beginning, i tend to catch it up in the top of the web and then when we throw fastballs after that, i catch that thing in the palm for a while until I adjust. Maybe it moves a ball or so, maybe more, but heck a bat is only a few inches wide. It doesn't take much.

As for the curve, yes, it certainly looks better when she steps across her power line and increases the angle from her release point to the destination, but I have zero doubt that this pitch moves horizontally when she throws it right. It skips off the end of my mitt if I'm not paying attention and there is a big difference when she warms up to when the pitch is dialed in. Maybe it moves a ball or 2...I dunno.

The fact is the pitches work and that's the important part. There's a reason these elite pitchers in the CWS throw the pitch...it works.

To everyone else -- thank you for the excellent feedback, as always. I appreciate your eyes analyzing my daughter. It's the little things now that seem to improve her game. She has ambitions of D-I ball. She has a lot of work ahead of her, but she is dedicated. The only problem is her daddy is her club coach ( me ), lol...not to start another debate. ( That happened last time I posted )

True, but did you think that maybe the pitcher earlier in the at bat **might have** busted the girl inside with a rise to make her think twice about staying strong in there and then maybe we went outside with a curve for a K? It happens to the best batters all the time...see John Kruk and Randy Johnson for example for the extreme example...lol

I am her club coach. Asst coach calls pitches. Let's not start the daddyball debate. I'm very aware of it and we drug through this last year last time I posted a video.

Originally Posted by acers16green

Now, here's a video of the best curveball pitcher I know around here. She's a Jr in the same league as my daughter and is committed to Portland State in Oregon ( D-I ).

Is this an optical illusion as well? I sure don't think so. I believe this video should provide another 3-4 pages of debate on the topic. This girl's ball "appears" to move much more than my daughter's.

She has the same pitching coach as my girl:



Sluggers/FFS -- I am not claiming any amount of break. Heck it could be release point/horizontal pitching angle, etc. I respect your opinion. The fact his -- her rise does not drop as much as her fastball. I know this because, like you probably did in the past, I catch hundreds of them and when I when she throws me 20 rises or so, in the beginning, i tend to catch it up in the top of the web and then when we throw fastballs after that, i catch that thing in the palm for a while until I adjust. Maybe it moves a ball or so, maybe more, but heck a bat is only a few inches wide. It doesn't take much.

As for the curve, yes, it certainly looks better when she steps across her power line and increases the angle from her release point to the destination, but I have zero doubt that this pitch moves horizontally when she throws it right. It skips off the end of my mitt if I'm not paying attention and there is a big difference when she warms up to when the pitch is dialed in. Maybe it moves a ball or 2...I dunno.

The fact is the pitches work and that's the important part. There's a reason these elite pitchers in the CWS throw the pitch...it works.

To everyone else -- thank you for the excellent feedback, as always. I appreciate your eyes analyzing my daughter. It's the little things now that seem to improve her game. She has ambitions of D-I ball. She has a lot of work ahead of her, but she is dedicated. The only problem is her daddy is her club coach ( me ), lol...not to start another debate. ( That happened last time I posted )

Acers16green ... thank you. I'll try to analyze this later ... hopefully this evening after I get out of the cages.

She looks pretty good.