Thread: Angel Bunner: Crowhop?

I think that the NCAA interpretation is also looking at the arm circle. There must not be a pause in the circle. If there I'd a hitch in the circle it well be called illegal.

When learning it, not after you have mastered it... and you probably don't have a crowhop either... do they ???

I can see this being very reverential to this topic. Cause & effect. Because it gives Ump an easier view...they can't watch for it in every circumstance.

That statement does not in any way negate the original rule. I don't get any major change at all from this. I would think this is a result of umps ruling perhaps on foot position (ie, if it is sideways dragged rather than on the toe, jumping the gun on the call), because I have heard they do.

Was someone inside this meeting to know what this arised out of or who inquired to get an interpretation? It does not seem to be public.

Here is the rule (and it is specific about things and 10.4.5 is in my previous post)
10.4 Step/Stride
10.4.1 In the act of delivering the pitch, the pitcher must move toward home
plate by pushing off the pivot foot from the pitcher’s plate, taking one step/
stride forward toward home plate and landing on or within the lines of the
pitcher’s lane.
10.4.2 A portion of the nonpivot foot must remain in contact with the pitcher’s
plate at all times before beginning the forward step.
Note: If the pitcher has toed the pitcher’s plate and, without stepping or sliding
backward, simply drops her heel that forces her to lose contact with the pitcher’s
plate, there is no violation.
10.4.3 It is legal to slide the pivot foot forward or across the pitcher’s plate
provided contact with the pitcher’s plate is maintained. Exception: Physical
contact with the pitcher’s plate may be lost if all of the following apply:
10.4.3.1 The pivot foot is considered to be pushing off the pitcher’s plate
when the pitcher, while still in contact with the pitcher’s plate, turns,
twists or bends her pivot foot.
10.4.3.2 If the pivot foot has not reduced the distance to home plate.
10.4.3.3 The pivot foot must remain in contact with the ground; however,
rocking onto either the toe or heel is allowed.
10.4.4 Leaping is not allowed. The pitcher may not become airborne on the initial
drive from the pitcher’s plate. The pivot foot must slide/drag on the ground.

Originally Posted by tojo

The pitcher in the video is illegal because she is leaping. There is no drag mark from the rubber and the re-plant hole in front of the rubber. I would probably not call this crow hopping as much as leaping. The pivot foot does re-plant but it appears that the pivot foot is pulled forward by the hips closing. Although, when she throws the drop curve she does push off with the pivot foot. She is definitely leaping.

^^^ Totally agree here.

Meaningless to debate until umpires take a stand....

Wisconsin’s McIntosh does the same thing and gets away with it all the time.

Umpiring did the worst thing from my perspective. Three-four years ago was it they made everything illegal followed by what I bet was a capitulation to the softball "establishment" from pressure to back off half their pitchers on the roster. So they backed off and made it a farce.

From my perspective pitchers are some of the best intuitive athletes in sports. Make it illegal and hold firm and watch all the pitchers that are illegal make the successful change.

Gonna bump this thread back up. I was just reading ASA's rule clarification for May. It seems that as long as the pitcher does not leave the ground, a replant is okay.

http://downloads.asasoftball.com/ump...RuleClarif.pdf