Thread: 9 YO DD's progression

I have serious trouble following what you write. Could you helps us out a bit?

Yes focus on the posters Question... It might bring my answers into perspective. Do you have the DVD? If so you might wanta watch it again. Since the poster used the video medium...can you post any video of a 9yr.old's progressive growth of this technique that he purchased that is resent? I think if you (us)focus on the knowledge base of what was asked, my answers will come to light...

Originally Posted by Screwball

How do you get inward spin by turning your palm over after release?........You would get outward spin.

Since the key words in your question above are the last 2 words......Does that question really need answering?.......Or do you really not know.......I could post a few of the hundreds of clips that are floating around this site that show you how if you really haven't been paying attention......How about just one for now.......



But you already knew that didn't you.........So I already know the motive for this post.........

Here's what you said in another post......

Originally Posted by Screwball

I don't follow-through with my palm turned over. Others do. As is discussed with the drop ball, many turn the hand over but the English put on the ball is 12-6 spin from a peel action of the fingers under the ball.

If you are 45-70 degrees open and following through to the target, would your hand get closer to the opposite side or further away..........Another question you seem to know the answer to but just feel like stiring the pot............

From the same post in the same thread.........

Originally Posted by Screwball

I understand you can get various spins with finger pressure and hand position. I do see that the follow through to the oppo shoulder (if you are open) can create some inward spin. You seem to say straight forward.

But I do find that approach inconsistent and does not work well with kids. Some have small hands, while others have various lengths of fingers (even this in older pitchers). I was not blessed to have instructors and experimented when really young. It was not intuitive to me and took too much work to try and develop 'fastball' spins, except for the screwball, which I gravitated to (hand cocked out the the side, like a sideways peel, and that got the inward spin.) And later the peel.

Ok so this is just a flat out lie........Ilhouser?.....Any of the other people who've used this approach agree with him?.....Do any of you who've used this method to transform what WAS being taught agree with him that it doesn't work well with kids?........

The show it and throw it, IMO, is not good for the shoulder complex and not necessary, if by that you mean going past 12 to 11, 10, 9 o-clock, and pitching with leg drive (I used to see this at games but not much anymore). (I also see 9 o'clock as in the front, not the back. The view should be the pitcher's, not the instructor's or parent's perspective).

One reason that we stopped the slingshot was injury, due to the change of direction, which causes muscle contractions as a result to do that. So let's not do it anymore. With K's we are not using the full leg drive nor over extending.

First of all.......The show it-throw it drill rocks the arm up to 12:00 and back down.........So I don't know where you got "past 12:00 to 11:00" etc.......If the ball is facing the catcher and you are open, there is no shoulder strain......If the ball is turned OUT or DOWN.......There is shoulder strain as the humerus turns out at the top......NOT GOOD......

And well again I see we have a "terms" issue........For the record........I'm going back to my original "clock" positions thanks to Huff........When I look at a RH pitcher......And her arm is behind her level to the ground........It's 9:00 on the clock face..........3:00 would be infront of her........

For those of us who actually work with kids.....We're always looking at the pitcher (clock face) face on.........For those of you who are really only talking about yourselves.......You would be looking toward the clock face vs. the student, and you would be at 3:00 in the back of the circle......Sorta says something about coaching to me............

Coletrain....If she can get that drag correct, you can build on it for throwing and batting... I even went out and used it to teach DD to serve tennis. As we know throwing overhand and underhand is very similar. I have my daughter throw overhand for warmup, leaping and draging every overhand throw. When she throws 9 to the overhand strike zone...( glove side, 12" from shoulder, not the chest ) then we are ready to pitch.


...Pitcher is perfect, wish I could find a righthander though...Batter needs to get a better 45 degree on front foot


Girl on the left, needs to point glove to the target, stride out more and get the foot at a 45 too...But she has the drag right!!! I like how she finishes the drag...never seen that before. The other girl on the right is just plain AWESOME!!! On the thumbnail, you can't really tell if she is going to throw overhand or pitch...This is why I think if every player would learn to pitch your choice of technique, it would enhance their entire game. Get your DD to throw overhand as good as the girl on the right, before you start any pointless drills. You will be putting 3 out of 4 limbs in proper action. If your not an accurate overhand thrower, you won't be a good pitcher. Just watch and see how many just plain skipped the step, not to mention catchin...