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Screwball · Jun 6, 2011

What is this cut or high school riseball? Please explain. I think that one is very mysterious. I do have a player who tried out claiming to have that one, taught by one of the old time (male) instructors here.

I had pulled my comment on the video because it said not to comment over there, so glad video is here.

I was thinking she might be throwing a drop ball that doesn't work. She appears to be letting go at the top of the rollover.
Not all of this is done perfectly every time you know. My favorite is the mixed pitch...so many pitches sometimes you throw half of two different ones...

Carty · Jun 6, 2011

I never jump into this one but I just wanted to post this video of Tincher vs the USA Natioanl team. Watch at about 1:10. I dont think this pitch is jumping upwards, but I believe it is working against gravity and travelling a very straight line beyond the point where it should have started downwards.

FiveFrameSwing · Jun 6, 2011

Screwball, IMO the term ‘high school riseball’ is the name being given to a pitch with a near perfect riseball profile, that is not recognized as a riseball because the person making the comment has polluted their database with false imaginary profiles of what they wish to believe a riseball looks like. The term “high school riseball” is meant to belittle, or degrade, the throwing of a riseball that does not magically ‘jump’.

FiveFrameSwing · Jun 6, 2011

Carty .... I downloaded the video and reviewed it on a frame-by-frame basis. The ball does not jump in that video.

sluggers · Jun 6, 2011

Fiveframe, I'm still trying to figure out how anyone can say that the most accomplished pitchers in college softball are throwing "high school" riseballs.

The problem may be that in men's fastpitch, the riseball is move upward when it crosses the plate--not due to the ball jumping, but due to the extra 10 to 15 MPH of velocity. A woman's riseball flattens as it crosses the plate.

The men's nationals are in Rockford, Illinois. If we can get a high speed video recorder and have some record the best riseball pitcher there, we can put this issue to bed, and move on to something more productive--like "shorts vs. pants".

nfhs ump · Jun 6, 2011

Put this same video up with a new title: "The Escobedo Leap"

halskinner · Jun 6, 2011

ASA Men's A division National Championship Tournamet, Stockton, California. Final game.

Pitcher throws a pitch so fast the home plate ump calls time. He points, ome at a time, to the other three umpires in the field who shake their heads no. HPU then yells "NO PITCH". Both coaches come out and the ump holds his hands up and says "Gentlemen, WE CANNOT CALL WHAT WE CANNOT SEE. If he does not slow the pitches down, every pitch will be called 'no pitch'. That's exactly what he did for the next two pitches. So, the pitcher had to slow down.

That is probably impossible too but it's in the record books, was covered by 3 tv stations and several radio stations.

What was illustrated in those videos IS NOT a true riseball. If you have never seen a real riseball you have simply never seen one. That does not make you stupid just unaware. The cut riseball is an effectie pitch, it works. But in the eyes of someone that IS aware and did throw a real riseball, the cut rise is a fastball that starts low and ends high.

Believe whatever you want.

starsnuffer · Jun 6, 2011

halskinner said:
ASA Men's A division National Championship Tournamet, Stockton, California. Final game.

Pitcher throws a pitch so fast the home plate ump calls time. He points, ome at a time, to the other three umpires in the field who shake their heads no. HPU then yells "NO PITCH". Both coaches come out and the ump holds his hands up and says "Gentlemen, WE CANNOT CALL WHAT WE CANNOT SEE. If he does not slow the pitches down, every pitch will be called 'no pitch'. That's exactly what he did for the next two pitches. So, the pitcher had to slow down.

That is probably impossible too but it's in the record books, was covered by 3 tv stations and several radio stations.

What was illustrated in those videos IS NOT a true riseball. If you have never seen a real riseball you have simply never seen one. That does not make you stupid just unaware. The cut riseball is an effectie pitch, it works. But in the eyes of someone that IS aware and did throw a real riseball, the cut rise is a fastball that starts low and ends high.

Believe whatever you want.

I can believe this. From what I understand, vision and sanity checks are not required for umpires. Perhaps they should have let their seeing eye dogs call the game.

-W

FiveFrameSwing · Jun 6, 2011

Hal, I don’t consider you stupid either, just not well educated. When it gets to the point that someone throws a pitch with a near perfect riseball profile, and you don’t recognize the pitch as a riseball, then it is time to begin realizing that you are out of sync with reality.

FiveFrameSwing · Jun 6, 2011

halskinner said:
Believe whatever you want.

Today people use video to filter out 'fact' from 'fiction'.

Looking forward to your video supporting your position.

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