2 different pitching styles - video link

JAD said:

There is a big difference between dragging a toe and replanting. A hole in front of the pitching plate could give the appearance of leaping, since the toe would loose contact with the ground, but if a pitcher has her toe pointed down and does not replant, no advantage is gained.

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Yes I agree with you. I was just making a comment on how the Blue always seem to have a reason to not call IP.
"Its a pool game"
" the hole is too deep"
" she is not gaining an advantage"
"Its only 12u"
Etc

4 girl's dad said:

Yes I agree with you. I was just making a comment on how the Blue always seem to have a reason to not call IP.
"Its a pool game"
" the hole is too deep"
" she is not gaining an advantage"
"Its only 12u"
Etc

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I agree, I just wish they would call the replants because that is where a significant advantage is gained.

2 tourneys ago, we faced a pitcher who threw just like a man. Her re-plant was so far, her front foot actually hit the edge of the circle. Anyone ever tried to stretch, leap, jump that far?

When I approached the game ump AND the UIC, I got the same response. . ."She's not gaining a significant advantage."

I wanted to scream.

STRIKE3 said:

TigerForty, thanks for reading my post and sharing your response. Yes, you are correct, and very LEGAL in your part of the world. However, not so legal in the US but it rarely gets called here until it matters most.

Question for you, does the illegal pitcher in this video describe the pitching you see in Australia more than the pitching from the legal pitcher? I would be curious to how our pitchers are trained in your part of the world.

Thanks again,

S3

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Hey S3

The hop is definitely more prominent in Australia, but there are still some US stride and daggers.

My DD uses the stride and drag and finds the hop difficult for accuracy.

I think the difficulty is more about what pitching technique is taught in Australia, very few and I mean very few coaches teach IR here and still promote hello elbow with the hop style. Most of these pitches when looked at closely internally rotate with brush anyway ,its just not taught that way but naturally progresses to IR/brush without the acknowledgment that its happening.

Again my two DD's are taught dedicated IR/Brush and are very successful in there age groups. I wont teach anything other than IR and the stride.

I would love to see our country spend more time understanding, learning and teaching IR as a dedicated technique.

I've shown some coaches this video of my DD below and they think she is deformed and will snap her arm off or cause massive injury from her arm action, Then I try and explain it and it falls on deaf ears even though she's 14 and chucking 59 - 60 with accuracy and spin. I've even shown proof with slo mo video's of our current local and Australian pitchers performing IR but its still not accepted and understood. I will say though that I am in the south of Australia and I really cant speak for the higher populated east coast but I'm sure there would be elements of this happening there.

Its also worth mentioning that some USA recruits come out to South Australia and use the Hop as they believe they get more velocity and spin, Monica Perry (Florida State) comes to mind.

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Thanks for sharing and posting Tiger!! Nice video of your DD and sounds like she is WELL on her way!

Seen it happen for the first time this weekend... usually as we all know... illegal pitchers aren't very good.

A friend had his team in nice tourney this weekend. I text him to see what time the ChampionShip was...told me that it looked like He could win it... so I went.

Games were in 2 real nice cloverleafs... I get there & tell him I'm going to go find the pitcher that was going to beat him...LOL...Walked up on a diamond and seen a pitcher throwing illegal... watched couple innings... no calls. Went around, watched few more teams and innings...Went back and got a clip of the IP.... Went over & told I took one clip, and its the team that's going to beat you. He said who, I pointed to the IP diamond, told him the colors... he said we already beat them.....

He got me there acouple hours tooo early for championship... We BS'ed I watched him play acouple games... He said we are going to other cloverleaf for next game... I was there 3 hours... said I gotta go, but you gotta let me know who wins tonight, since I showed up... said he would.

Around 10:30 I get a text... He was 2nd...& I was right, but the pitcher was illegal... I sent him the clip... he was livid. I said I thought you beat them... Said he did... that pitcher got called for 6-7 Ip's, and took herself out...ChampionShip Game... she wasn't getting called... he was all over ump, to no avail.... when he seen the clip... she was jumping 4" from rubber, landing on back foot. I never seen one so blatant...

Long story, what am I going to do ??? I'm teaching DD the Ephesus pitch. We ever run into this, she is going to throw it...of course when no one is on base... going to get the ump... having to say IP... Only thing else to do is complain after its over... ???

Perfect Circle said:

Long story, what am I going to do ??? I'm teaching DD the Ephesus pitch. We ever run into this, she is going to throw it...of course when no one is on base... going to get the ump... having to say IP... Only thing else to do is complain after its over... ???

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My DD's pitching coach taught her how to throw the Eephus pitch. It's hilarious to watch, gets her in giggles every time (she's only 11). He usually has her throw in in practice if she's getting frustrated with her spin or another pitch isn't working, he'll call it to "lighten the mood". I think she'd be too afraid to do it in a game even if the situation was warranted. There have been games that other teams coaches have tried to intimidate her and call IP if she pauses longer than a few seconds on the rubber or other stuff (she's always legal). One coach brought out a stopwatch to time how long she held the ball in her glove! I would have loved to see her glance over at him then throw the junk pitch and then laugh. She's not there yet, maybe when she's older LOL

To comment on the replant. Yes its very annoying. We saw A LOT of it in 10U last year. Umps never call it, and in 10-12U a lot of the pitchers are gaining an advantage from it. I don't think a lot of the umps even know what to look for. I did see an ump call an IP on a 16yo throwing with IR though. Not sure what he thought was illegal. He didn't like that where her elbow was or something

Sounds like your PC & me are on same page....Thinking it over... Without getting into anymore work than necessary, could just have her do half of her 2step warm up..just move foot back off the rubber... 1" then 2" then 3"... I'd almost bet, the other coach with the IP'er would start trying to get it called... LOL His pitcher can't just go back to pitching correctly... You just got to get the ump to call one...

Total Bush League I know... but I seen it for myself, and planning for it will take the surprise/impact out of the stupidity... She got lotz of confidence understanding what to do when the strike zone gets cut in half... she almost enjoys it. Not whinning about it :{)) It has been our experience so far, that when strike zone got cut down... it was for both sides...

Its kinda like pitching in the: heat, cold, rain.. ect. If you practice for it, you have the advantage.