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Dec 5, 2012
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Here's a little background. I have a 12u player who has been a pitching student of mine for about 18months now. I was her only source of instruction, utilizing a Pauly, Balswick, Hillhouse, Java, Gay, Gillis, Tincher, and Boardmember hybrid of mechanics (as well as a few others). She is an amazing overall athlete (and knows it). She has been clocked as high as 55mph but typically cruises in games at 48/49 mph. She works with 3 basic pitches FB, DB, and CU... We haven't seen much improvement in her in the last 6 months or so. I believe its because she doesn't do my daily drills I've assigned her, and her single mom doesn't enforce her working out at home (can't/wont catch her). I've offered to give her extra time just to get more work in, but they're too busy most of the time to come over.
Back to the point of this rant....
While warming her up before a game last night I noticed a heavy emphasis on HE. She was slamming her hip completely closed and finishing on her chin..... I asked her why she's doing that because I certainly have never condoned that. She names off one of the 2 local HE instructors and says that he's told her to do so, and that "finishing palm down it'll negate all her speed. She needs to learn how to snap it off in order to gain speed"... She has apparently been taking additional lessons with him. I don't care if she's getting additional work in elsewhere, because it lightens my load, but HE????? Really? The saddest part is they were at the clinic with Rick, and have studied the highest levels of mechanics through slow motion video and have compared herself to the best. I thought they fully understood the difference?
Point is like that old saying...You can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink!
 
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My DD is far from the perfect pitcher at the ripe old age of 9 but I am sometimes amazed at what some of the girls I see pitching are paying instructors to teach them. A girl who's been in lessons for a year or more should not be pitching really, really illegally. And HE is soooo common. It seems to be the rule rather than the exception. It's funny to watch some of the better 10U pitchers throw IR then snap their hand up to their ear. I'm pretty happy we lucked into the only IR instructor I know of in this area, back before I even knew what IR was.
 
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Jun 19, 2014
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I fully understand...we are going through a similar situation. Any time we make progress on my daughters leg drive, it is reversed every time we see the local pitching instructor. The first thing he corrects is her lean...everytime, he will tell her to stop what she is doing and to load back, chin back and never over toes...completely opposite of getting in the runners lunge...Then proceed to tell my husband what Rick Pauly teaches only applies to tall girls, short girls got to do something different to get speed. My husband insists on taking her because he swears up and down that he is a pitching God...never played softball though. As a coach, I would love for my daughter to play for him but as a pitching coach...he still teaches H/E. I do have to say that he has learned I/R and will demonstrate I/R with Dominique. I seen him demonstrate I/R with another one of his students before her lesson.
 

sluggers

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May 26, 2008
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I understand your frustration.

A priest was talking about his food pantry. He said that there were some people who need the food, and others are simply moochers. I asked him how he handled the moochers...and he said, "Well, I tell them 'may God help you, because I'm not anymore."

...

GRC: Kids are going to pick up HE and other bad habits simply by watching other pitchers. Thus, you have to continually reinforce IR and proper mechanics.
 

Ken Krause

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May 7, 2008
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Apologies for the newbie question, but what does HE stand for?

Hello Elbow. It's a way of teaching pitching that emphasizes turning the ball back toward second base at the top of the circle, pushing it down the back side, then pulling the hand up and pointing the elbow at the catcher after release as you "slam the door" or close your hips completely. It's very commonly taught despite the fact that no top level pitcher - even Jennie Finch, who espouses this method in her clinics - actually pitches this way in games.
 

Ken Krause

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May 7, 2008
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Here's a little background. I have a 12u player who has been a pitching student of mine for about 18months now. I was her only source of instruction, utilizing a Pauly, Balswick, Hillhouse, Java, Gay, Gillis, Tincher, and Boardmember hybrid of mechanics (as well as a few others). She is an amazing overall athlete (and knows it). She has been clocked as high as 55mph but typically cruises in games at 48/49 mph. She works with 3 basic pitches FB, DB, and CU... We haven't seen much improvement in her in the last 6 months or so. I believe its because she doesn't do my daily drills I've assigned her, and her single mom doesn't enforce her working out at home (can't/wont catch her). I've offered to give her extra time just to get more work in, but they're too busy most of the time to come over.
Back to the point of this rant....
While warming her up before a game last night I noticed a heavy emphasis on HE. She was slamming her hip completely closed and finishing on her chin..... I asked her why she's doing that because I certainly have never condoned that. She names off one of the 2 local HE instructors and says that he's told her to do so, and that "finishing palm down it'll negate all her speed. She needs to learn how to snap it off in order to gain speed"... She has apparently been taking additional lessons with him. I don't care if she's getting additional work in elsewhere, because it lightens my load, but HE????? Really? The saddest part is they were at the clinic with Rick, and have studied the highest levels of mechanics through slow motion video and have compared herself to the best. I thought they fully understood the difference?
Point is like that old saying...You can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink!

I feel you, brother! Happens all the time around here too. The level of misinformation is exceeded only by the enthusiasm of those who spread it.

Here's a story about one of my pitching students. She is clearly the top pitcher on her team, both in terms of speed and effectiveness. One day she started warming up next to another pitcher on her team who isn't even half as good. The dad of the other pitcher sees her starting from a K position and says "Isn't she going to do wrist flips?" My pitcher's dad (who had researched it before I ever worked with his daughter and chose me because of it) said "No, our pitching coach says they're a waste of time." To which the other dad says "Maybe you need a new pitching coach."

Really? They should take advice from you because it's worked out so well for your daughter so far? My pitcher's dad just laughed and when he told me the story he rolled eyes.

It's frustrating, especially when your primary goal is to help kids become the best pitchers they can be. Coach James, I know that is your goal for sure. So to see a girl with this level of potential doing things you know are going to limit her is maddening. But it's ultimately the family's decision.

One of my favorite quotes about this sort of thing comes from the movie The American President: "People don't drink the sand because they're thirsty. They drink it because they can't tell the difference."
 
Jan 4, 2012
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Hello Elbow. It's a way of teaching pitching that emphasizes turning the ball back toward second base at the top of the circle, pushing it down the back side, then pulling the hand up and pointing the elbow at the catcher after release as you "slam the door" or close your hips completely. It's very commonly taught despite the fact that no top level pitcher - even Jennie Finch, who espouses this method in her clinics - actually pitches this way in games.

Just want to add: HE pushes & don't pull the ball...:cool:
 

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