Pitching question

The brush acts on an already occurring I/R to enhance it and compress it...the brush DOES NOT start IR.

i see your Mike White and Raise you Rick Pauly....

JJsqueeze said:

i see your Mike White and Raise you Rick Pauly....

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I see "elbow-to-hip" in this video.

FiveFrameSwing said:

I see "elbow-to-hip" in this video.

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No--it's the fleshy part of the inside of the forearm to hip in this video...midway between elbow and "elbowpit"..more of a "karate chop my thigh" position.

JJs, what Rick refers to as a “throwing-side hip snap in a curvilinear rotation”, is not a ‘snap’. The hitting equivalent would be what I refer to as the “extra stretch”, or what HI refers to as the “missing frames”.

Here Rick speaks of this “hip snap” causing the shoulders to rotate. Yet shoulder rotation is resisted until after release.

If you are attempting to snap your hips, to generate shoulder rotation, prior to release, then IMO you are making a mistake.

JJsqueeze said:

The brush acts on an already occurring I/R to enhance it and compress it...the brush DOES NOT start IR.

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I'm fine with this.

The brush, or elbow-to-hip, does accelerate/compress the lower arm rotation/whip.

FiveFrameSwing said:

I'm fine with this.

The brush, or elbow-to-hip, does accelerate/compress the lower arm rotation/whip.

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absolutely does...agreed

FiveFrameSwing said:

JJs, what Rick refers to as a “throwing-side hip snap in a curvilinear rotation”, is not a ‘snap’. The hitting equivalent would be what I refer to as the “extra stretch”, or what HI refers to as the “missing frames”.

Here Rick speaks of this “hip snap” causing the shoulders to rotate. Yet shoulder rotation is resisted until after release.

If you are attempting to snap your hips, to generate shoulder rotation, prior to release, then IMO you are making a mistake.

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I wouldn't say you TRY...I think it happens pretty naturally as part of the desire and feel of getting power into the arm and I don't think anyone does it with a goal of rotating the shoulders...I agree it is the same feeling as hitting or throwing where the hips "lead" the hands. But while the shoulders resist this from a turning perspective (although it will cause a little shoulder rotation), that same stretch caused by the hips do pull the shoulder down into the "shoulder dip" so they do act as an arm whip accelerator and adduction enhancer. So that stretch from rear hip to shoulder is kind of liek the hitting "corner" but with more of a downward component to it to enhance the huge acceleration from 9 o clock to release.

JJsqueeze said:

No, you will have a hip pointer from your elbow and whip that is late..you want I/R to BE OCCURRING at brush...you do not want to start the I/R at brush...

Elbow to hip is a recipe for being TOO FAR inside the ball, having bullet spin, and losing some velocity.

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"Elbow-to-hip" is a term Mike White used, similar to Doug Gillis' term of "Brush Assisted Whip”. If you agree with “Brush Assisted Whip”, then that’s what Mike is after with his use of “Elbow-to-Hip”.

JJsqueeze said:

I wouldn't say you TRY...I think it happens pretty naturally as part of the desire and feel of getting power into the arm and I don't think anyone does it with a goal of rotating the shoulders...I agree it is the same feeling as hitting or throwing where the hips "lead" the hands. But while the shoulders resist this from a turning perspective (although it will cause a little shoulder rotation), that same stretch caused by the hips do pull the shoulder down into the "shoulder dip" so they do act as an arm whip accelerator and adduction enhancer. So that stretch from rear hip to shoulder is kind of liek the hitting "corner" but with more of a downward component to it to enhance the huge acceleration from 9 o clock to release.

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Bold above ... this is what I meant earlier when I referred to the creation of lag and setup for whip.