HE question

Does Hillhouse use HE (Except his hand goes up to the opposite shoulder of his throwing arm) or is HE different? Also, curious why HE is looked down upon? Sorry, just a curious day!

When an OF throws the ball does their hand end up by the throwing hand shoulder?

quincy said:

When an OF throws the ball does their hand end up by the throwing hand shoulder?

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Senseless response. When an OF throws a ball do they do it underhand?

OK

I think you are trying to accomplish the same energy and most the body motions are the same.

cbullard said:

Does Hillhouse use HE (Except his hand goes up to the opposite shoulder of his throwing arm) or is HE different? Also, curious why HE is looked down upon? Sorry, just a curious day!

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In short, it is just looked down upon in this forum. If you want to learn more, which any intelligent person would, check our any information you can find on Dr Sherry Werner. She has been working with Doug Finch over 20 years and has proven data on why HE is the safest way to pitch.

Fact is that there is more than one way to have success pitching. Just watch any college softball game and you will see multiple different styles.

The IR vs HE debate will go on for years to come. Just make a decision and stick with it.

cbullard said:

Does Hillhouse use HE (Except his hand goes up to the opposite shoulder of his throwing arm) or is HE different? Also, curious why HE is looked down upon? Sorry, just a curious day!

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He absolutely does not advocate HE. In one of his videos he specifically calls it out as bad instruction.

HE is bad because it encourages a pushing motion instead of a whip. It is looked down upon because it is simply a myth and does not actually exist in ANY good pitcher's actual finish. Sure some very good pitchers finish the pitch and 14 seconds later point their elbow at the catcher but this is always some tack on finish that is done well after release.

Any pitcher that actually pitches HE is long gone from the circle by about 14 years old if they are playing at any decent level of competition.

G3N1U5 said:

In short, it is just looked down upon in this forum. If you want to learn more, which any intelligent person would, check our any information you can find on Dr Sherry Werner. She has been working with Doug Finch over 20 years and has proven data on why HE is the safest way to pitch.

Fact is that there is more than one way to have success pitching. Just watch any college softball game and you will see multiple different styles.

The IR vs HE debate will go on for years to come. Just make a decision and stick with it.

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This is really misleading, can you share a clip of a single pitcher that is successful with an HE delivery? I have never seen one.

That is not to say that I agree or disagree with Dr Werner, just that there is data out there to make the argument...

just to clarify

cbullard said:

Does Hillhouse use HE (Except his hand goes up to the opposite shoulder of his throwing arm) or is HE different? Also, curious why HE is looked down upon? Sorry, just a curious day!

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No HE (or Hello Elbow) is a style taught where the throwing hand of the pitcher finishes on the throwing shoulder with the throwing arm elbow pointed at the catcher.

That is pretty much the exact opposite of what Hillhouse teaches.

Saying HE and IR are stylistic choices and are on equal footing is like saying a Ferrari and a Gremlin are equivalent cars that just differ on style.