Long time purker hear..... my dd started with an HE coach for about a year and a half. Then she broke an ankle playing basketball in PE. When that healed she broke her foot on a trampoline, that break was on the growth plate it took a while to heal, put her out of the game for about 18 months. She came back full swing last June we found a PC that teaches I/R and my dd loves her. PC directed me to this forum and I am so grateful for all the information that is on the forum! My dd would not be where she is without it! I come here daily and I'm constantly learning and my dd is improving so much. Thank you to all of you who take the time to inform! Recently PC suggested a circle start like Cheri kemf does with no backswing, the reason for it was because my dd was haveing a hard time with opening to soon, not pushing out. It seems to have helped she stays square to the catcher longer but she has lost some speed. My question is, are there any elite pitchers with no backswing? My dd tried the pushback drill today without the backswing. I couldn't get video I had to catch, but tomorrow she will throw into a net so I can take some vid. I'm wondering how important is it to have the backswing, should we add it back in? She likes no backswing but she doesn't like that she has lost speed. thanks