Overlap sequence in drive with no back swing at all???

can someone point out how this would stay correct if your supposed to be going forward while going back which I understand how would that translate to not having a back swing at all ???

In push and go mechanics, the butt goes back as the torso goes forward. In hide the ball rocker (ala hill house), the torso goes forward as the rocker goes back like this:



Of course I don't recommend teaching pitchers to lean back over their heels. This young lady is struggling to find velocity using the motion she's been taught . Hope she finds it.

BoardMember said:

In push and go mechanics, the butt goes back as the torso goes forward. In hide the ball rocker (ala hill house), the torso goes forward as the rocker goes back like this:



Of course I don't recommend teaching pitchers to lean back over their heels. This young lady is struggling to find velocity using the motion she's been taught . Hope she finds it.

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Is that the only way to accomplish it because I do not really care for that either ...

if this is the only way I will stay the course I am on seems to be slightly difficult. she gets the forward lean but seems to not get actually moving forward till ball is at top of back swing . meaning full sprinters start is achieved at ball at top of back swing. I think it is causeing timing issues at GFR but it seems to be a tough one to crack it is way embedded in her muscle memory

I completely understand that you do not have to have the overlap to throw the ball underhand it is done in the game of slow pitch everyday. I kind of attest the that the overlap java is talking about in my terms as the negative move and coil employed while hitting and the very reason you employ a shift and load that way your hands and torso are loading slightly Back while your body is moving forward. aka coil .... Hitting in any other way would be just pure contact .... so yes I understand it is possible to lose the overlap I just am not sure I would recommend it .

Out in Left Field said:

The load of the front foot can be timed directly with the backswing, or the small rock the baby, anyone can do a box jump and see that simple move. Then the arm is easily timed with the leg drive going forward. Simple as that. No overlap or stretching it back from or resisting it against the body is necessary.

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Oh my gawd. The concept of overlap is so far over your head it's not even funny. You should stay out of this thread until you figure it out.

Tell you what. You push with ONE LEG in broad jump fashion with zero overlap. I'll use two legs, first one, then the other in bipedal fashion, the way humans were designed to propel themselves.

I'll use the back leg to break the initial inertial force that wants to keep me in place by getting things moving. I'll assist that goal by creating an early load that defines the vector (direction) of the force I'm applying. Then I'll use the front leg to add velocity to the moving mass, increasing the force. F = MA. Or FORCE EQUALS MASS TIMES ACCELERATION.

IOW, you use push with one leg.....I'll use PUSH PUSH using both legs assisted by overlap.

BoardMember said:

Tell you what. You push with ONE LEG in broad jump fashion with zero overlap. I'll use two legs, first one, then the other in bipedal fashion, the way humans were designed to propel themselves.

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ROFLMAO... I'm now cleaning coffee off my shirt...

Might try grunts and clicks... or something monosyllabic....

Out in Left Field said:

The load of the front foot can be timed directly with the backswing, or the small rock the baby, anyone can do a box jump and see that simple move. Then the arm is easily timed with the leg drive going forward. Simple as that. No overlap or stretching it back from or resisting it against the body is necessary.

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Why do you reply? Especially when in at least 100 of your other posts you say you are not a pitching coach? Clueless wanna be...

My back hurts watching this...ok back to the hitting threads for me.

BoardMember said:

In push and go mechanics, the butt goes back as the torso goes forward. In hide the ball rocker (ala hill house), the torso goes forward as the rocker goes back like this:



Of course I don't recommend teaching pitchers to lean back over their heels. This young lady is struggling to find velocity using the motion she's been taught . Hope she finds it.

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Game said:

In pitching is overlap when your arm catches up to your legs? Like you lean forward as your arm pulls back then you overlap?

Can you tell me where or what the overlap is?

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body forward momentum during rearward arm movement

It is a ballistic movement that will cause rapid fire muscles in your body to activate .

It occurs in your stride sequencing in the push off portion and simply put

your forward momentum needs to start before the throwing arm goes past your hip in the back swing.

That's the easiest way I know how to explain it Javasource is much better explaining it visit the "drive mechanics" sticky

There's a lot here in that clip which conflicts with what my DD is taught by the same coach. He says at our lessons that he picks his battles so, with what to work on, etc. Its unknown how long BH has worked with this girl, what they were specifically working on at that time. I'm only saying this because I think it'd be unfair to imply this girl is doing things which may not actually be taught by the coach. I'm not saying BM or anyone has specifically threw anyone under the bus but, NO DOUBT there is someone who would read this and think it some of these bad habits to are being taught instead of trying to fix them.

cg