A little advice on the arm circle

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Feb 17, 2014
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I am happy that we have progressed from meaningless words to meaningless photos....take the last step and post some video OILF, you will be amazed by what context can do for your understanding. Show the pitch...........resisting...resisting....ahhh....my urge to rhyme has passed.....well done JJ......

For some posting a random photo or video and not making any comments the post is arguably much better than the ones where they include their wisdom via comments. Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to post a comment and prove to all that you are a troll. :)
 
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Jul 14, 2008
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ROFL!!!! From screwballs attachment above:

"Although it might look like the plam is down, and the ball is positioned down by the camera angle, it is not.."

If you give them enough rope, they'll eventually hang themselves.....

This nice young lady is also advocating: "Ball in to Ball out to Ball back" during the first 3/4 of the arm circle. Completely unloading the mechanism.

Worst advice on the planet outside of change up mechanics. Yet another well meaning PC who has no idea how to load and unload the mechanism.
 
Nov 7, 2014
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ROFL!!!! From screwballs attachment above:



If you give them enough rope, they'll eventually hang themselves.....

This nice young lady is also advocating: "Ball in to Ball out to Ball back" during the first 3/4 of the arm circle. Completely unloading the mechanism.

Worst advice on the planet outside of change up mechanics. Yet another well meaning PC who has no idea how to load and unload the mechanism.


ball looks up at 9 to me I do not what camera angle is used :)
 

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Jul 10, 2011
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@ OILF.....I'm sure Savana Lloyd means well with her teachings and is a great role model to the girls that she coaches, and I'm also aware that she had a successful career too, but the arm circle that she is teaching is the exact reason why my 14 yr old, 5'9", super athletic DD has plateaued (and why thousands of other girls with a ton of potential have too). That point the ball towards 2nd base, wrist snap-bowling motion may get you by at 10U and 12U but you'll hit a wall after that for sure. It's a shame...if I knew 4 years ago when my DD started pitching what I know now (thanks to many of the great coaches on this forum) my DD would be WAY further along...I'm convinced of that. And what's even worse is that you would even post teachings like this! This arm circle teaches girls to push the ball...muscle the ball...and on top of that, it ingrains such bad muscle memory that is very hard to break.

I'm sure most of the frequent flyers of this forum already figured out that you have an agenda here. It's easy to see by the way your always trying to undermine what some of the great coaches here have so generously shared with the softball community. I just hope that the newbies here with young DD's don't get caught up with the mechanics/agenda that your promoting and have to totally rebuild their motion when their a freshman in high school like my DD is in the process of now.

How's this for an idea, or better yet, a challenge? Instead of being part of the problem around here how about trying to be part of the solution? Maybe you could start a detailed thread on your view of the pitching motion?...soup to nuts!...every detail! You know...kind of the way BM and Java have. I'm sure it will be such an eye opener to everyone here that the moderators will immediately make it a sticky.

Thx in advance! Otis
 
Oct 19, 2009
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The first PC my dd was with was similar to what ms Lloyd is teaching. She simply didn't understand how she pitched. Her ball was not facing 2nd at 9:00 but she taught that. She "thought" that was what she was doing and was probably taught that when she was younger but overcame the "teaching" and allowed her natural talent to take over in spite of the coaching she received. Needless to say she and I spoke about the internal rotation mechanics and my dd moved on. Too bad that she didn't utilize slow motion video at the time or she may have better understood her own mechanics. She may have changed by now. I didn't keep track of her.
 
May 26, 2013
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I don't understand. I've been on the forum now for about a year or so, I feel very fortunate to have found it and appreciate all the great advice and personal help BM, RP, JJ, DR and JS have given me and my girls. What I don't understand is why anyone engages OILF. When I see a post of his on any thread I just skip over it, she is an obvious troll. Of course she could be a plant by one of the regulars just to keep everyone's blood flowing. Anyway, it seems if we ignored her (I once read where someone said OILF is a girl) then she'd lose the enjoyment of getting everyone fired up. That is what she enjoys, not giving advice, the antagonism.
 

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