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Dec 7, 2011
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Except in ASA. With their clarification of the push/drag/push being legal, they have effectively eliminated a crow hop. Now you must come off the ground in order to crow hop, which means it then falls into the "Leap" category.

Sounds like ASA wanted to solidify the quagmire for all time. Ata boy ASA!
 
Sep 18, 2012
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No offense but I don't think this pitcher is getting any advantage from what she is doing. I think she is holding herself back to tell you the truth. Why the hitch anyway? Is she a curve baller? The move she is doing only helps movement and if so, telegraphs the curve ball.

Would you like your pitcher to pitch from 43' or 40' ??? By leaping out and replanting she is basically throwing from 40'.
 
Nov 25, 2012
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Sticks- good post and thread start as this topic is a "hot button" for me as a bucket dad. I have been following this discussion board for the last several years and rarely post but want to add or at least agree with what has been said. I have seen Rubber Biscuit post on this several times and my favorite is the "skippy" or "skipper" coined phrase. I could lay out my thoughts but I will keep it simple, I STRONGLY AGREE with everything Rubber Biscuit has said and unfortunately it is what it is. I too can spot this pitching within a couple of pitches and see it at select tournaments almost every weekend. It IS an ADVANTAGE for the reasons already stated. So what do you do? I struggle to be in the camp of teach a kid to pitch legally and the right way, PERIOD! I have always done that but question it more and more as time goes on. Why? Because it doesn't seem to be what the majority are doing and many times the majority is RIGHT.

I have started to despise the whole situation because it has me questioning my morals. Do I teach my daughters by the rules which I have always done or do I follow the pack and give my girls the advantage even though it is "illegal"? I haven't made a firm decision on this and my DD's pitch legally for now but don't know how many more gun fights I am going to send them to with only a knife.... Good luck and great discussion!
 
Dec 7, 2011
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Sticks- good post and thread start as this topic is a "hot button" for me as a bucket dad. I have been following this discussion board for the last several years and rarely post but want to add or at least agree with what has been said. I have seen Rubber Biscuit post on this several times and my favorite is the "skippy" or "skipper" coined phrase. I could lay out my thoughts but I will keep it simple, I STRONGLY AGREE with everything Rubber Biscuit has said and unfortunately it is what it is. I too can spot this pitching within a couple of pitches and see it at select tournaments almost every weekend. It IS an ADVANTAGE for the reasons already stated. So what do you do? I struggle to be in the camp of teach a kid to pitch legally and the right way, PERIOD! I have always done that but question it more and more as time goes on. Why? Because it doesn't seem to be what the majority are doing and many times the majority is RIGHT.

I have started to despise the whole situation because it has me questioning my morals. Do I teach my daughters by the rules which I have always done or do I follow the pack and give my girls the advantage even though it is "illegal"? I haven't made a firm decision on this and my DD's pitch legally for now but don't know how many more gun fights I am going to send them to with only a knife.... Good luck and great discussion!

Strike3 it sounds like you are speaking right out of the depths of my soul my brother from another mother.
 
Mar 12, 2009
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Just my opinion but I have to disagree with saying she is replanting. She does get both feet in the air(leap) which is illegal but, like I said, if there is hole or rut then the umps usually won't call it. Actually, like others have stated...they probably wouldn't call it even if there isn't and that's the problem. Many experts say a leap is actually detrimental to the pitcher.
 
Oct 22, 2009
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Sticks- good post and thread start as this topic is a "hot button" for me as a bucket dad. I have been following this discussion board for the last several years and rarely post but want to add or at least agree with what has been said. I have seen Rubber Biscuit post on this several times and my favorite is the "skippy" or "skipper" coined phrase. I could lay out my thoughts but I will keep it simple, I STRONGLY AGREE with everything Rubber Biscuit has said and unfortunately it is what it is. I too can spot this pitching within a couple of pitches and see it at select tournaments almost every weekend. It IS an ADVANTAGE for the reasons already stated. So what do you do? I struggle to be in the camp of teach a kid to pitch legally and the right way, PERIOD! I have always done that but question it more and more as time goes on. Why? Because it doesn't seem to be what the majority are doing and many times the majority is RIGHT.

I have started to despise the whole situation because it has me questioning my morals. Do I teach my daughters by the rules which I have always done or do I follow the pack and give my girls the advantage even though it is "illegal"? I haven't made a firm decision on this and my DD's pitch legally for now but don't know how many more gun fights I am going to send them to with only a knife.... Good luck and great discussion!

It's an honest reasoning. Like pro-athletes that decide to take performance enhancing drugs. Do you go with what everyone else is doing and get to play the game? Or do you play by the rules and lose out.

This is why these rules need to be either strictly mandated or thrown out altogether.

And I am on the side that there is an advantage. Luckily my DD could push and replant and stop anytime she wanted.
Nothing angered her more when she was in college when the opposing teams pitcher was replanting and nothing was being said by the blue. So in her eyes, if the rules were being thrown out in that game then she didn't have to abide by them either. And she definitely found an advantage in the re-plant.
 
Dec 7, 2011
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Just my opinion but I have to disagree with saying she is replanting.

I am curious drc => Let's put leaping aside altogether. I think everybody grasps the leaping concept well enough. I am intrigued with your assessment on thinking there is no replant of the push foot. Can I ask you what you feel would signify a replant of the push foot?
 

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