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Jun 22, 2008
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Hal?

The only "trick pitch" I've shown kids is releasing straight from the back swing as the arm starts the circle. I let them know it's illegal and that any ump should call IP if they try it in a game. (I've also shown the behind-the-back pitches, but not for them to try.)

Pitching sling shot is NOT ILLEGAL. It only becomes illegal if the pitcher continues to rotate the arm after the release of the pitch.
 
Sep 14, 2011
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Glendale, AZ
Ajay- is your conclusion from experimenting or from theory?

Mostly theory and some stuff I have read.

I find it very interesting that in softball, a pitcher will usually not want to throw a ball with a cut or tear on the cover. From my baseball days, the pitchers would do almost anything to keep a cut ball in the game....
 
Feb 3, 2010
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Pac NW
To clarify, I release the ball on the first, forward pass of the hip--right from the backswing. The arm continues around in a windmill.

To further clarify, I don't teach this as a "pitch," but as something fun to break things up.
 
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Nov 26, 2010
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Michigan
If you have ever seen a game ball after a couple of innings, you don't need to scuff, slice or alter the ball in any way. Its already done for you.
 
Jan 18, 2010
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In your face
I haven't seen "cheats" with a softball, the raised seams give an advantage over BB. I will say, I always told DD to hold onto a "used" ball as long as possible. For obvious reasons.

The only real cheats are in the legs and feet. That's something you CAN'T get away with in BB.

Being "tactical" within the rules are admirable, having to cheat doesn't impress me at all.
 

02Crush

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Aug 28, 2011
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The Crazy Train
I have heard some call the a pitch released upon the first pass of the hips with the arm continuing around in it's windmill as a "Chinese Changeup". I have heard 2-3 coaches use the term and calling it a gag pitch. I have seen it pitched 2 times in 7 years and neither time did the umpire call it IP. Both times for a called strike watched by the batter who was stunned.
 
Feb 3, 2010
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Pac NW
I have heard some call the a pitch released upon the first pass of the hips with the arm continuing around in it's windmill as a "Chinese Changeup". I have heard 2-3 coaches use the term and calling it a gag pitch. I have seen it pitched 2 times in 7 years and neither time did the umpire call it IP. Both times for a called strike watched by the batter who was stunned.

Can I call it a Suomi Tsunami? (I consider myself Finn...)
 
May 9, 2014
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It works in baseball due to the smaller size of the ball.

With a softball, the amount of goop used or scuffing needs to be proportionally larger to have the same effect.
Also, the baseball travels a longer distance from the pitcher to the plate giving the doctored effect more distance to work.

Its just not as necessary with a softball, the larger diameter and raised seams gives plenty of effect to the spin put on the ball, a 12 inch softball can create much more differential air pressure than a baseball can, and in much less distance, with a much lower velocity and required spin rate. Hitting a softball and hitting a baseball against a competent pitcher are completely different tasks, the larger diameter of the softball make it easier to see, but the movement is different due to the diameter and raised seams.
 

KCM

Mar 8, 2012
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I was going to say the "Chinese Change-Up" and my daughter typically will use it early into a game against a team we have never played before. Kind of keeps the other team and umps on their "toes" so to say.
 

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