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Sep 11, 2014
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Hi all.
My dd just turned 13, will be on a 14u exposure team 2014-15 season. She's very excited. Just began playing softball in 2013 - rec, then went 12B 2014, then got picked up by a 12A team and now made it to an exposure team. Good on her! Hard worker, has lots to learn - naturally athletic (didn't get it from me) and loves to push herself. Softball bug bit her hard!

Started taking pitching lessons from a local college pitcher in 2013. Has done pretty well. Getting strength and working hard to figure things out. Not number 1 by any stretch - but aspiring to be. We as parents are really no help here (although we're trying very hard to educate ourselves) as we are new to this softball thing - and we really have trouble "seeing" things that the coaches can see.

That being said, she's getting conflicting instructions from pitching coach and team coach - and we're trying to make sense of it. After reading the threads on I/R, we think that's what she is doing and how she's been taught to throw (but she does a "chicken wing" - which her pitching coach and team coach both told her to correct PRONTO) and she's been working on being looser. She was also taught a rollover drop, rollover change (forgive me if I get the names wrong - again, newbie here) and she's been working on hitting her spots. Coach that she picked up with on 12A team told her that her change is great - nice speed, comes in flat and low. He says he likes that she doesn't do a flip-change, because those can arc. Ok, so good to know . . .

New coach (who has many, MANY years experience) and whom we just love, tells her that he wants her finishing her fastball with her elbow pointing toward the catcher, and her hand over her shoulder. He sends me video that shows that her "drop" ball and her "fast" ball look virtually the same - there seems to be no difference. He is correct. I can see no difference. She is very opposed, however, to "finishing with her elbow" because she says it "feels weird" and "makes her back hurt". We took her out to practice yesterday, had her using the elbow thing that coach suggested - and by the end of the practice she was complaining of pain and very, VERY frustrated. He also told her that her change needs to be a flip-change instead of what she's been doing, because a flip is a better pitch and harder to hit. She worked so hard to get a decent change-up, those words sank in to her brain and I could see her looking dejected. :confused:

We are trying to read up and educate ourselves - and we respect and admire this coach. We are worried that we're "helping" our dd the wrong way. We're going to see the pitching coach tonight and try to figure out what's happening. I have never in my life been a parent to question a coach or go against something they tell my kid - especially when I am so far from being an expert. Coach told me to read the book "The Softball Pitching Edge", so I bought it today. I also don't want them to think that she's uncoachable or isn't listening. Heck, for all I know, they read these boards - and I should be addressing these issues to them. Dunno . . . don't want to rock the boat or be a p-i-t-a parent.

I'm providing the link to a video of dd pitching. It shows her from back in beginning of Aug, when she was still pitching from the 40' mark, until yesterday - when she was trying to learn from 43'. I'm hoping some of you more esteemed parents and coaches can help me understand what words to use to help my dd. She might spend a couple hours each week with coaches, but she's with her dumb parents the rest of the time - and this frustration is now affecting her confidence. She said yesterday, "When I do it this way, I feel so much slower". I couldn't tell a difference - just seemed like she had lost control and was all over the place, no matter what she did. :( :::sigh::::

She's an intense kid, and takes a lot internally. We're really worried that this will mess with her head. This is a tough age to begin with - and she already feels like she's so far behind the other girls who have been playing the game since they were little. We're going to meet with p coach tonight and try to work on it. Thanks in advance!
 
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Jun 24, 2010
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Mississippi
As a parent, if you are paying for a private instructor, and like the results, you should tell the team coach that she has a pitching instructor. If you're not willing to do this, save the money you've been spending on the PC and stop lessons.

13 is around that age that the girls need to start handling issues on their own, but for me, I'd probably talk to the coach in a non confrontational manor. If he gets upset, I probably wouldn't want my DD playing for him.

I'd encourage the Team coach to contact the pitching coach with any concerns he has.
 
May 17, 2012
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New coach (who has many, MANY years experience) and whom we just love, tells her that he wants her finishing her fastball with her elbow pointing toward the catcher, and her hand over her shoulder.

It *sounds* like the coach has MANY years of experience doing it the wrong way. Having said that it's not wrong to finish with the elbow pointing towards the catcher, it's how that elbow got pointed towards the catcher (what came before, a whip or a push).

I will say that nine times out of 10 a pitcher that does finish with the elbow pointed towards the pitcher is doing it wrong.
 
May 17, 2012
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As a parent, if you are paying for a private instructor, and like the results, you should tell the team coach that she has a pitching instructor.

And as a Coach if I don't like the results your child will be riding the bench with me. It goes both ways. Just because you are paying for it doesn't make it right (or effective).

Again something to work out before you accept an offer to join a team.
 
May 24, 2013
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So Cal
Conflicting instructions from team coach and pitching coach are likely going to slow her progress dramatically if she's trying to incorporate both. I suggest a conversation with the team coach to discuss the issue with the hope that the team coach will back off with the "advice" once he knows your DD is working with a private instructor (especially if the instructor has a strong reputation in the area). If the team coach insists in his way, then it's time to make a decision about how to proceed in a way that's best for your DD. Depending on the open-mindedness of the team coach, sending him some links to videos of top pitchers who don't finish with the "hello elbow" might get him to understand that there is another way to get the job done.
 
May 7, 2008
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Tucson
I quit reading at this sentence ""makes her back hurt"." That is all I need to know, to make a judgement that she needs to ignore her team coach.
 
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Jun 18, 2012
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Utah
Depending on the open-mindedness of the team coach, sending him some links to videos of top pitchers who don't finish with the "hello elbow" might get him to understand that there is another way to get the job done.

I'd say odds are against him being receptive/curious enough to check those links to videos of top pitchers. Even if he does, we all know people who see such clips who still refuse to jump on board.
 
Dec 23, 2009
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San Diego
I quit reading at this sentence ""makes her back hurt"." That is all I need to know, to make a judgement that she needs a different pitching instructor.

AGREE - AGREE - AGREE. Time to be her parent, not her SOFTBALL parent. Your DD's health comes first.
 
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