Very glad to report, DD had a breakthrough with the spin axis. She is getting good 1-7 most of the time on her fb now, and has picked up her speed considerably. We did some ball on a stick spins and a bunch of release drills into a net, and football toss. She is feeling it, and knows when it doesn't work. She is now trusting the palm up position all the way down from 9, without the temptation to flip. A great day yesterday with her PC. Thanks for all the tips.