timing is off

X pitcher said:

Is there a difference in a female shoulder complex and a male shoulder complex. Is this why girls have been taught to pitch different than men for about the past 40 years?
Agree that RH pitchers throw clockwise and LH pitchers throw counter clockwise, just to keep every one on the same page.
No body has seen video of this girl yet, but everybody is fixing her timing.
Throwing underhand is so simple. Some can and some can't. Some that want to can't and some that never tried, could be stars in their own neck of the woods. Throwing underhand has been made complicated to understand, especially trying to read how to do it.

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Hal, Answer the question for everyone to know, on this thread about this shoulder thing. Thanks I'm not kidding.

Hal Do your students have timing issues with 3 speeds , 3 wind ups and multiple pitches??? Double pump, sneaky submarine, and out of the glove are the 3 wind ups you teach,right? Lower the shoulder and make a fb (straight) rise go, up and in? Explain your words of wisdom that are full of complication. You make no sense. Nothings going to change my world, sung by the Beatles. Across the FP world/universe. by Hal.

KenB said:

MandM,
Of the three videos I watched, hip slam was emphasized in all. Each of her students demonstrated Hello Elbow. I'm hoping the three videos do not represent the rest of her teaching.

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My concern is that this is a public forum in which conclusions are being drawn from videos about an instructor's methodology. I have a instructional video from Doug Gillis where he uses a drill to emphasize weight transfer. He has the girls spin in place after the delivery of the pitch- clearly, he does not advocate this as part of his overall strategy for his pitchers.

To those members reading this thread- based on 1.5 years of instruction that my DD has received at the CT facility- Jen Hapanowicz instructional methods are very much in line with those largely advocated by members of this site. She does not advocate "hello elbow"- nor slam the door with hips - no matter what the videos suggest. That is my only point, not conjecture- but personal experience.

BM, get real. You are posting videos of pitchers that have stride lengths of around 7 feet, from what I can see. The timing for mechanics like that is certainly going to be off. They are striding out to 120% or thereabouts. This is the examples you want to use??

Do you teach your strudents to stride out to 120% of their height??

Again I will say parents need to try and do that and see if it feels like something that feels right or safe.

I wiull stay with what the Steadman - Hawkins report outlines because that is what I always did and is what I always taught my students.

Just some more examples of why you should NOT watch the elite pitchers and do exactly what they do.

Hal Do your students have timing issues with 3 speeds , 3 wind ups and multiple pitches??? Nope.


Double pump, sneaky submarine, and out of the glove are the 3 wind ups you teach,right? Those asre 3 of the 4 I would / could teach.

Lower the shoulder and make a fb (straight) rise go, up and in? Explain your words of wisdom that are full of complication. Not complicated at all. Go to the sticky grips and read the one on the bent fingered riseball. By the way, it isnt a straight fastball, its a riseball.

You make no sense.
Even my youngest students had no problems understanding it but you dont. Of course, they were just girls, right?

Nothings going to change my world, sung by the Beatles. Across the FP world/universe. by Hal. Whatever you say.

halskinner said:

BM, get real. You are posting videos of pitchers that have stride lengths of around 7 feet, from what I can see. The timing for mechanics like that is certainly going to be off. They are striding out to 120% or thereabouts. This is the examples you want to use??

Do you teach your strudents to stride out to 120% of their height??

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Hal, if you watch most of the elite pitchers they do have a 7'+ stride. Nearly everyone will be within a foot of the circle, some will hit the chalk. My dd is 5'10 and her stride is around 7' to 7'4. I don't think that kind of stride is uncommon or wrong.

halskinner said:

BM, get real. You are posting videos of pitchers that have stride lengths of around 7 feet, from what I can see. The timing for mechanics like that is certainly going to be off. They are striding out to 120% or thereabouts. This is the examples you want to use??

Do you teach your strudents to stride out to 120% of their height??

Again I will say parents need to try and do that and see if it feels like something that feels right or safe.

I wiull stay with what the Steadman - Hawkins report outlines because that is what I always did and is what I always taught my students.

Just some more examples of why you should NOT watch the elite pitchers and do exactly what they do.

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Hal, I am not experienced enough to take a stand on the two points you and BM are making, at least not yet. However, you recommend for all parents do the things thier DD's are being taught and if it doesnt feel right then dont have them do it. I dont know about you or anyone else reading this but I think there would be a lot of injuries occuring if us dads were pitching everyday like our DD's do. I do appreciate your caution and wanting to keep kids from getting injured but I think it is a little outlandish to think that 30, 40 and 50 year old adults can push off something using one leg, exploding with both arms while twisting in mid air, rotating the arm as fast as you can and landing on one foot while dragging the other one behind you and not expect soreness from it. You cant compare apples to oranges, the old people being the oranges! Just my opinion.....

slingnit said:

Hal, if you watch most of the elite pitchers they do have a 7'+ stride. Nearly everyone will be within a foot of the circle, some will hit the chalk. My dd is 5'10 and her stride is around 7' to 7'4. I don't think that kind of stride is uncommon or wrong.

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Sling...It isn't the height....its the differential. Measure height...then measure the span of the arms, furthest tip to tip hands open. Should be the same... the longer the span is over the height the more advantage for pitching. The span measured making a fist, and middle knuckle to middle knuckle is the measurement a beginner should start at. I stop here because my DD is just in 10U....that's where my data goes from my facts to my theory.

Bump bump bump it up! Good info in here