timing is off

bucket pinata said:

If we went to the coach in this video and she started teaching my DD step lunge hello elbow then stepping thru with the drag foot high we would definitely be one and done.LOL

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Having been to this instructor and other instructors there I do know they don't teach any of these things. But they do use drills such as the one shown to work on specific things that the student is struggling with. Maybe not the best 'model' pitcher they chose (I don't know the girl shown) but their methods have produced some unbelievably good pitchers over the years.

KenB - I haven't watched a lot of the videos online from Jen but I suspect that the individual drills may make less sense outside the lessons itself.

I will say the improvement in my DD's pitching has been significant in the past few months after being in a bit of a rut with her previous PC. So far I have been very impressed with how they communicate and teach pitching and how it is very much inline with the information I have read on this board. It is actually one of the reasons I ended up using them.

halskinner said:

The position of the ball should be just into the downswing behind for the safest mechanics for the female shoulder complex. That would be 1:00 to 1:30 for a right handed pitcher looking in the direction of her throwing arm. That is the standard because there are WAY more RRH pichers than LH pitchers.

The clock is as the pitcher views it to make it easier for them to discern. Poop on making it easier for the coaches, we arent the ones doing the work!

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Is there a difference in a female shoulder complex and a male shoulder complex. Is this why girls have been taught to pitch different than men for about the past 40 years?
Agree that RH pitchers throw clockwise and LH pitchers throw counter clockwise, just to keep every one on the same page.
No body has seen video of this girl yet, but everybody is fixing her timing.
Throwing underhand is so simple. Some can and some can't. Some that want to can't and some that never tried, could be stars in their own neck of the woods. Throwing underhand has been made complicated to understand, especially trying to read how to do it.

halskinner said:

Boardmember,

From what I have just read, you seem to see a major difference between 'Landing Foot Touchdown' and 'Stride Foot Plant'? The stride foot touches down on the ball of the foot, that is landing foot touchdown.

Now, are saying that stride foot 'plant ' occurs when the entire stride foot has come down to the ground, heel included, is that what you call a stride foot plant?

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Hal my friend.......Why the hell would anyone care when the "toe" or "ball of the foot" touches the ground?...........That has absolutely nothing to do with the physics or bio-mechanics of creating whip outside of creating a small shock absorption mechanism........

The only thing that matters with regard to the stride foot coming down is when PLANT occurs in relation to the pendulum that is holding the ball..........

Talking about "touch down" is useless..........UNLESS it means plant.........

I used to put a plastic heel cup, in my stride foot shoe, to protect from a stone bruise on my heel.

marriard said:

KenB - I haven't watched a lot of the videos online from Jen but I suspect that the individual drills may make less sense outside the lessons itself.

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Pulled the comment until I learn more about forceful hip and knee drive at release.

javasource,
I'll have to try the box/noodle tool. I haven't come across a need for something like that, so when I hear about it, or something like the cone in Coach Weiman's video, it doesn't make sense to me.

BTW,
Welcome to DFP! New members are in charge of coffee. I like dark roast.

Ken

When the hard research comes out, I'm putting my $ on 9:55 (292.5 degrees) as the optimum arm angle at foot plant.

KenB said:

javasource,
I'll have to try the box/noodle tool. I haven't come across a need for something like that, so when I hear about it, or something like the cone in Coach Weiman's video, it doesn't make sense to me.

BTW,
Welcome to DFP! New members are in charge of coffee. I like dark roast.

Ken

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Dark roast it is. Thanks for the welcome!

Boardmember,

You can stand on your soapbox and fillibuster the topic if you want.

The stride foot landing on the ball of the foot happens and the heel coming down is an afterthought. When the heel touches down can vary greatly from piotch to pitcher. I have seen the heels of pitchers not touch the ground ubtil adter ball release. Landing foot touchdown is the exact indicator for the ball of the foot touching down. That is also what the Steadman - Hawkins report bases their recommendatyion of saying "The ball must be just into the backswing behind " at landing foot touchdown.

If you are saying at 3:00 behind at LFT but you are basing that on the heel touching down, that can explain the 3:00 statement. But, as I said, the heelk coming will vary from pitcher to pitcher and a great deal of time can elapse between LFT and the heel coming down.

I'm old and beat up but I can still throw a pitch and not let my heel touch down until after I release the ball.

Step style or leap/drag?