Now that is funny... We are seeing Jen this evening (not my DD's normal pitching coach but we do our current lessons through USA Elite in Florida). My DD does this drill very regularly. They have changed their terminology - they talk about a 'W' rather than a 'X' now.
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Now that is funny... We are seeing Jen this evening (not my DD's normal pitching coach but we do our current lessons through USA Elite in Florida). My DD does this drill very regularly. They have changed their terminology - they talk about a 'W' rather than a 'X' now.
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James, where the heck did you get that idea? Some book? The stride foot should hit the ground when the throwing arm is just above or at parallel........And must be totally "weighted" at parallel.........9:00 (or 3:00) which is your preference......1:00 (or 11:00) just past the top of the circle is WAY TO EARLY in the sequence......
When it comes to understanding the "timing" of the stride foot "plant".......You have to understand the physics behind WHY planting the stride foot assists in whip..........And length of stride DOES make a difference.........Because it determines the DIRECTION of the ground force reaction that occurs during foot plant........
He's a simplified lesson on ground force reaction:
When the stride foot plants........It is pushing against the ground........Because the ground is solid........The ground PUSHES BACK.......And the energy is sent back in the same direction it came from........
Consider the energy direction and leg angle in relation to the ground during the forward drive.........The drive direction is *more* horizontal then vertical.......And the leg angle is also somewhere between horizontal and vertical.........
With that said........A jump straight up and down will have a downward force during the decent to the ground........And a force directly opposite or directly UPWARD during landing.........
BUT......During a drive forward into plant.......Depending on the direction of that force into plant, ground force reaction is sent directly opposite of that direction. The pendulum (arm) must be past the direction of ground force reaction to create whip........
Here's a simple-stupid illustration. Which pendulum arm, A or B, will whip down/through toward the right side of the picture when the foot plants and ground force reaction occurs..........
And now that you've answered that question........Which direction does "A" want to go when ground force reaction occurs??? Does anyone think that might fight the intended directions vs. helping it?........
The higher the velocity the pitcher........The closer to 9:00 (3:00) they are when the stride foot hits the ground and plants........
Please do some homework.........Open some clips of high level pitchers and go frame by frame to see WHEN the stride foot ACTUALLY hits the ground and IS PLANTED........And WHERE the arm is when this occurs..........
Don't believe everything you "read" without verifying it against video of the best........
The Hanson Principle is a valuable tool people..........
Didn't you like my pictures... thought it showed some study and a flex of the skills needed to discern Hansonology.
The stride length becoming the balance to lever at 3" short of the height of the fulcrum, transcending effort of applied motion, and the realization of resistance, by taking advantage of the lever ratio of output force to input force... of course.
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Boardmember,
From what I have just read, you seem to see a major difference between 'Landing Foot Touchdown' and 'Stride Foot Plant'? The stride foot touches down on the ball of the foot, that is landing foot touchdown.
Now, are saying that stride foot 'plant ' occurs when the entire stride foot has come down to the ground, heel included, is that what you call a stride foot plant?
From what I have just read, you seem to see a major difference between 'Landing Foot Touchdown' and 'Stride Foot Plant'? The stride foot touches down on the ball of the foot, that is landing foot touchdown.
Now, are saying that stride foot 'plant ' occurs when the entire stride foot has come down to the ground, heel included, is that what you call a stride foot plant?
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Here is an almost X... #13
Taking DD to the YMCA... strength and Agility workout... OH-IO... I'll show you all that one soon. Its the rotator cuff exercise... and the Speed Bag tonight... be back 1.5 hr.
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If we went to the coach in this video and she started teaching my DD step lunge hello elbow then stepping thru with the drag foot high we would definitely be one and done.LOL
What pitch? Peel drop or roll over drop? Open or closed? In front K position or around the hip? If a pitcher looks at there own arm, right hand pitcher throws clock wise and a left hand pitcher throws counter clock wise. Back arm swing or hide the ball?
javasource
6-4-3 = 2
Halskinner,
I agree with you that a pitcher should not lock-out or tighten. The terms loose and long are the opposite, in fact. Loose denotes keeping the arm relaxed and not locking out (allowing for natural flexion or bending). Long is in reference to a pitcher short-arming - a habit all too common with younger pitchers. I guess I was suprised to see your response and logic - or interpretstion of that phrase. That said, if you misinterpreted those words, perhaps someone else that stumbles upon the post would, too. Thanks for the feedback, it appears we are both on the same page.
I have no idea how this post has gotten so off-topic. I replied to a genuine question about a girl on a travel team - and now the posts have turned into people resume dropping and arguing over items not related to the athlete in question.
Sad to hear this girl has regressed, hopefully someone with an interest in actually helping her can make a difference as she obviously has lots of potential. Best wishes... Mike
I agree with you that a pitcher should not lock-out or tighten. The terms loose and long are the opposite, in fact. Loose denotes keeping the arm relaxed and not locking out (allowing for natural flexion or bending). Long is in reference to a pitcher short-arming - a habit all too common with younger pitchers. I guess I was suprised to see your response and logic - or interpretstion of that phrase. That said, if you misinterpreted those words, perhaps someone else that stumbles upon the post would, too. Thanks for the feedback, it appears we are both on the same page.
I have no idea how this post has gotten so off-topic. I replied to a genuine question about a girl on a travel team - and now the posts have turned into people resume dropping and arguing over items not related to the athlete in question.
Sad to hear this girl has regressed, hopefully someone with an interest in actually helping her can make a difference as she obviously has lots of potential. Best wishes... Mike
javasource
6-4-3 = 2
Yeah, sorta. I prefer to use an object that's less restrictive with the leg drive. Even better than an empty shoe box is a swimmers noodle held by an assistant. But, if a girl is practicing on her own, the box works. The only other issue I see with a traffic cone is that it can make a girl raise her stride leg too high. The goal in the drill I described is to get that foot down without shortening the stride. If the stride is too high, it can add to the original question - which was a timing issue.
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