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Old 08-26-2008, 07:40 PM   #131 (permalink)
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My term of direct hand path means that we are getting the hands to contact without a hitch. Ex. Girls who drop hands have poor hand path which makes it difficult to get the hands through a pitch up in the zone. I use a very cheap tool to prove hand path issues. The Derek Jeter (from Kalamazoo like me by the way) endorsed zip line. Several of my clients have fixed hand path issues with this tool that is about $30 bucks. You can raise it up and down but I like it higher. I also like the line to teach my students to keep the barrell through the path of the ball as long as possible. I also use high tee drills.
I agree that this is usually a major issue with younger fastpitch hitters. And hands dropping coincides with the back elbow getting ahead and barrel getting too flat and this leads to front arm barring and coming around the ball. I would also say that this pattern is usually associated with poor hitting posture and usually no pelvic involvement in the swing. Good stuff...
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Old 08-26-2008, 08:11 PM   #132 (permalink)
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Amen brother, I hear ya with the elbow and arm barring. Believe it or not I have a kid who just signed to play D1 ball and this is a big issue she has. Can yank the ball out of the park with anybody in our area. We are still working on this issue but when she gets it right she hits to all parts of the park with power.
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Old 08-26-2008, 08:20 PM   #133 (permalink)
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Mark - Because you are so often the true voice of reason for us "non-experts" that are parents just trying to help our kids, (I am sure this will get a long post from others with links and video proving you are not) and were smart enough (for the most part) to stay out of this crazy discussion, I wanted your opinion. You have mentioned many times that Epstein hitters find a ceiling. I do not doubt this but in your opinion where is that ceiling, in youth ball - HS - Div III college etc...?

And as an example I watched video of Ortiz (Very big, strong and quick man)and he seems to exhibit pelvic tilt and rotation with the box formation Englishbey teaches, But then Pedroia (a much smaller guy) took one "yaaad" the other night with a very Epstein like swing.

One other quick question. I do love Englishbey's teachings about pelvic tilt and connection. Is there anyone else that teaches the hip action (swivel) better or different. This part of his teachings is like watching a foreign film without subtitles and based on your recommendations of comparing it to slow motion VDO I am not sold the swivel (hip action) is correct. More correct than others but not correct.

Thanks I appreciate your opinion.
You hit a ceiling when the pitchers start changing speeds and hitting the low corners IME. There are basic differences with the nature of rotation in terms of the weight shift being back to front or front to back in addition to your point off the top of my head. Not sure what you mean by swiveling. Also beware of counter rotation of the torso much away from the pitcher.
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Old 08-26-2008, 08:23 PM   #134 (permalink)
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My term of direct hand path means that we are getting the hands to contact without a hitch. Ex. Girls who drop hands have poor hand path which makes it difficult to get the hands through a pitch up in the zone. I use a very cheap tool to prove hand path issues. The Derek Jeter (from Kalamazoo like me by the way) endorsed zip line. Several of my clients have fixed hand path issues with this tool that is about $30 bucks. You can raise it up and down but I like it higher. I also like the line to teach my students to keep the barrell through the path of the ball as long as possible. I also use high tee drills.
OK, I refer to that problem as disconnection/pushing the hands down. We could talk about the roots of this a long time but it's tied up in learning how to get beyond using the hands/arms to take the bat to the ball rather than incorporating posture. Often/usually a top hand related problem. I agree it's to be avoided/fixed. Too many call the following clip a "direct hand path". I didn't figure you were one of those.

http://imageevent.com/siggy/hitting/...=0&w=4&s=0&z=9

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I agree that this is usually a major issue with younger fastpitch hitters. And hands dropping coincides with the back elbow getting ahead and barrel getting too flat and this leads to front arm barring and coming around the ball. I would also say that this pattern is usually associated with poor hitting posture and usually no pelvic involvement in the swing. Good stuff...
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Old 08-26-2008, 08:28 PM   #136 (permalink)
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Amen brother, I hear ya with the elbow and arm barring. Believe it or not I have a kid who just signed to play D1 ball and this is a big issue she has. Can yank the ball out of the park with anybody in our area. We are still working on this issue but when she gets it right she hits to all parts of the park with power.
I know a kid very well who could hit with power to all fields who had this problem. You can hit the ball very hard this way. Consistency? That's another question.
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Old 08-26-2008, 09:29 PM   #137 (permalink)
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Exactly, consistency was an issue. Lets hope we get this fixed or D1 pitching could be an issue.
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Old 11-05-2008, 09:15 PM   #138 (permalink)
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Of all the discussions on all the forums I have read, I like this one best, and the points made by boardmember were very worthwhile.

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