tom.guerry

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Good stuff !

Of course Candrea and Slaught are clear about how the sidearm throw action is used in the swing avoiding both the drag (elbow to much ahead) and (hands too much ahead).

Mark may not have studied these ideas in depth and his "loop" idea misses the point because it is not based on how the swing and overhand throw relate. Sure they are similar, BUT there are also differences.

In the hitting swing, you are not throwing with the back arm in isolation as with overhand throw.

In overhand throw, the unloading/rapid acceleration of the throw is primarily by internal rotation of the throwing arm and secondarily by extension.
In hitting, it is a 2 handed action which torques the handle (in the baseball/MLB type swing which is why someone like Bonds might describe the preparation for this unloading as "getting to the punching position" and "meet my top hand") and the primary back arm action during unloading is extension (punch).

If you do not know how throwing works and how it relates,then the cue may well be dangerous.

See:

http://www.swingbuster.com/images/Ba...onds%20Clip.rm

Mark H

Good call.


Because some kids and parents will figure the cue "skipping a rock" means top hand arm action like they use when they go down to the lake and skip a rock.

On RVP, it's a huge improvement over MC's old stuff. The swing exposition is better than many. Drills not so much. Software and MLB clips get a big thumbs up.

Slapper23

Straightleg,

In other words, mark is trying to protect people from themselves. The larger point is not about the rock skipping cue, but rather the fact that in no way does PCR/Nyman/Englishbey hitting instruction utitlize top hand/arm action similar to Candrea/Slaught/Yeager. That's what this is really about. This isn't anything personal against any of those people, but we have a huge disagreement about how the swing unfolds.

Mike

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Slapper

I have rvp instructional tape and the cheapest model of the capture viewer with extra hitting clips added.
I also have englishbey's dvd's and access to the forum.

Plain and simple i use both. Both have things i like and believe in.


I believe my dd and any one else I work with will benefit from the combination of the 2.



Have not read any yeager or nyman yet.


I have read baker, smidth, and a few others.



Straightleg

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Mark H

Boardmember's rock skipping clip.

http://i35.tinypic.com/v621qq.gif

Slapper23

and the beat goes on....

straightleg

That guy can skip a rock pretty good.

He has a descent tilt over. His elbow got a tad ahead of the hand in the delivery, which is good for skipping rocks.
If he would have strided farther and keep his head down, with balance, and a bit more follow through, he would of gained some water distance.




If he wanted to hit? i would have to ask him to bring in the back forarm a bit closer to the body, to drop into the slot while staying connected.



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tom.guerry

walk-up drill, 2 plane golf similar to MLB hitting, especially lower body.

MLB arm action is like sidearm throw rather than golf arm action (2 plane golf swing is lead arm pull down dominant):

http://www.lessonslearned.com/greg/HappyGilmore1.gif

BoardMember

Problem is if he did these things you suggest, he COULDN'T SKIP A ROCK to save his life!

So much for that "cue"...........

straightleg

LOL.........





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