He states the goal is zero shoulder turn. This is stated on the dvd that I am watching as I am typing this.
The goal for shoulder action is: (direct quote) "the shoulders tilt not turn."
One could surmise he is saying the shoulders are by passed, in terms of shoulder rotation.
He also advocates throwing the barrel. With the hands at the ball.
The Doc is also heavily into attack oppo.
He divides the swing into back side and front side mainly.
Contrast that to the conventional lower half vs. upper half. Though he addresses that secondarily.
If I were you, I'd purchase the dvd.
I'm not suggesting that you should think about pulling your front shoulder out. In fact I believe in the old saying "keep the front shoulder in", but it is a fact that the shoulders turn, and when they do, the hands move.
Yes, the shoulders tilt before they turn, and the elbow drops before they turn, but they do turn, and they do cause the hands to move.
Are the shoulders not turning 90 degrees below? Are they not turned quite a bit, PRIOR to contact? I believe Yeager means not to fly open, which means you would turn the shoulders before the hips forced them to turn. Or, you rushed the hands and shoulders before the hips.
From frame 1 to 6 below, his shoulders turned quite a bit, yet his hands are only at the plate, and the bat is still on the yellow line.
Can you honestly say, the shoulders don't turn, and that they don't pull the hands?
As Kelvin Miyahira explained in his recent April article, the shoulders need to be given a role. That role should be to “tilt” and “not turn”. The shoulders tilt along with the lateral bend … … … it is a powerful action that can result in the rear leg extracting significant ground reaction forces at the same time.
Basically, as one arrives at launch, the rear shoulder will be higher than the front shoulder. From there (launch position) one attempts to prevent “shoulder turn” while bending their spine so that the rear shoulder tilts lower than the front shoulder. Once you feel your spine bend and shoulder tilt, you can turn your shoulder through.
Yes the shoulder is seen to turn towards contact. Yet one is resisting this … especially towards the beginning of the swing … and it is this resistance that leads to SnF, which is the fastest way to launch the barrel towards contact. In terms of throwing the barrel … Yeager explains this as the shoulders further bracing, or resisting, while the barrel is thrown.
That's a pretty accurate statement, except that the bending of the spine isn't the main factor in making the back shoulder drop, it is the dropping of the back elbow that also lowers the back shoulder. Turning the knob toward the ball causes the shoulders to tilt. The lower spine at the L2 L3, vertebrae bends at the same time.Basically, as one arrives at launch, the rear shoulder will be higher than the front shoulder. From there (launch position) one attempts to prevent “shoulder turn” while bending their spine so that the rear shoulder tilts lower than the front shoulder. Once you feel your spine bend and shoulder tilt, you can turn your shoulder through.
I agree. This is what "keep the front shoulder in" means. You resist turning the shoulders at first, but they DO turn, and they turn before contact.Yes the shoulder is seen to turn towards contact. Yet one is resisting this … especially towards the beginning of the swing …
I believe the barrel is thrown just after the shoulders lose their resistance and start to turn, which is after they tilted.In terms of throwing the barrel … Yeager explains this as the shoulders further bracing, or resisting, while the barrel is thrown.
I agree that the shoulders quickly decelerate after the initial turn, but they do pull the hands, and they do turn or rotate.
You can say they resist turning, but they do turn, and that turn does make the hands move forward, which starts the throw of the barrel.
These guys all have their hips and shoulders fully turned toward the pitcher before contact. You can debate what they did to get there, but just prior to, or at contact, (not after), their hips and shoulders have turned.
She can turn, tilt, tilt and turn, start with her hips, start with her hands, or try them all. We would strike her out every time with her head spinning like that.
I certainly appreciate your opinion. It is good for her to get feedback from eyes that are far more trained than mine. Plus, dad's opinion isn't always the right opinion in her eyes.
Watch her pony tail in your first post, no .1 seconds taken out of the swing.
I have a girl that whipped her head with her swing. She could smash it off the tee, smash it side toss, cream it drop toss, but could not hit anything coming at her, and I am sure would've crushed a ball coming out of a tube dropping straight down.
My player she is to mimic Megan Bush. Bush keeps her head on the ball better than any. Her pony tail doesn't whip around hitting her in the ear or face.
I see all the lack of weight transfer etc.
You will get some great advice here. For every piece of great advice from some very qualified coaches, you will have three others telling you that piece of advice is not what you want to do. You have to decide what to listen to. I have a team (well two) of girls, but only 5 spend enough time with me to be considered my "hitting students" and only dd and one other play for me. All 5 easily out hit everyone on their 5 different teams. Dd is the best of all of them. She hits over left, right, and center field fence at least once every bp. The only cf blast I measured was almost 240ft. She just turned 12 and is about 110 lbs, so not a big girl. Everyone in hitting instruction does it different. I don't break down and change a swing completely like so many suggest. When they have to play every week, they need constant improvement. So I start with things that are not so interesting to everyone else....like hitting the ball consistantly. Then focas on the next major problem, and the next. Once the problems are mostly gone, then we build on. For every "must do" you can find a mlb player that is succesful NOT doing it. I just saw Jeter smack a ball to the wall lunging over his front leg. If his dad posted video of it on here they would have 16 pages of post on what is wrong with his swing.
I think if your dd head stayed in, and her swing path was not on a downward plane she would be a top hitter for her age right now. Will she look like a top mlb player at contact, probably not, but that is something so keep working on for years. My dd was a terrible hitter at 9 years old.
Last edited by redhotcoach; 04-15-2012 at 10:18 PM.