Thread: DD swing any progress?

Originally Posted by FiveFrameSwing

Yes, it is very true that Crystl does not perform what is being taught here. She uses a much more powerful dynamic loading pattern.

And since you're in one of those moods, I will reiterate that she does teach it for a specific reason. Players are welcome to use their own styles once they understand how to get balanced.

Originally Posted by FiveFrameSwing

Okay ... I hear you.

But I also hear and feel this guy's frustration. Let me conclude with this.

The guy has his kid bobbing for apples …. Even though the person he learned this from doesn’t do this … they are too good for that.

The guy has his kid have her eyes fixated on the tee at contact … even though the person recommending that doesn’t have their eyes viewing contact when they hit in games.

The guy has his kid having the rear foot plantar flex ahead of eversion … even though the person he's taking this advice from doesn’t do that.

The person then describes a plan to work on Forward-by-Coiling (actually they said “the move”) and then work on the “stride” … even though doing so would likely negatively impact the earlier Fwd-by-Coiling work.

The person is then planning on working on tilt-and-turn … even though stretch-and-fire, within a proper swing sequence, is far superior.

What is my point? The Hanson Principle isn’t something to take lightly. It is there to help protect people from making life more difficult and assist avoiding being needlessly jerked around.

It isn't like people are being evil in giving advice. I don't believe people are trying to be hurtful. At the same time ... respect the frustration that is being described.

Personally ... I generally don't work with people that won't adopt the Hanson Principle. Reason being that those that adopt the Hanson Principle tend to be less likely to throw away what we've worked towards.

The Hanson Principle (… the one to use)
“Always compare what anybody tells you about the swing to slow motion clips of the best hitters in the world”.
-- Mark Hanson

All this from someone who has NEVER trained anyone at a high level let alone any level! Crystl and Howard on the other hand have worked with success to more than I could count including my DD. So you can spout all this cr@p, never having seen anything they teach from your coffee shop! So I do use the Hanson principle and watch video of straightleg, sbfamily and other that actually post videos here unlike some.

Originally Posted by cshilt

I really try not to respond to your troll bait, but sometimes I just feel the need. I know that you don't understand the hitting system that Howard and Crystl teach, nor do you really give it an effort. You like to take the bits and pieces that don't match your preconceptions and take them out of context with the lesson and site the almighty Hanson Principle. Your loss.

At the end of the day, the game swings that are produced by Howard and Crystl's hitters do hold up to the Hanson Principle. The results also speak for themself; this swing has performed well at every level of fastpitch played, from travel ball, to HS, to college, to the NPF, and at the Olympic level.

Would it matter to you if you knew that you are the source of some of the frustration of the poster? Would you care? Do you really have a sincere desire to help, or are you too busy bashing people?

No SBF ... I don't believe you have an understanding of the various efforts I have placed. I have no desire to take anything out of context ... to the contrary ... I'm interested in good approaches to teaching hitting that satisfy the Hanson Principle ... and I don't hesitate to filter out portions that don't apply.

I suspect the 'bobbing for apples' demonstration here was poorly understood ... and the user made the mistake of not bothering to comprehend the intent. The poor guy has been demonstrating this for some time ... even admits to being frustrated ... and IMO has suffered enough. You would think that someone supporting this approach would at least explain the intent.

I find no loss in applying the Hanson Principle to any segment of the swing ... in fact, I recommend that those interested in avoiding frustration make a religion out of using the Hanson Principle.

In this example, the intent of what should have been accomplished was not understood ... which is a common enough issue when people follow ideas blindly. When working with students directly I repeatedly confirm that they understand the intent of the drills ... as in my opinion actively understanding the purpose of the drills leads to speeding up the learning process ... which in turn leads to less frustration.

Originally Posted by missymeg7321

PEPPERS - could you explain what the EEEEEE R drill is? Thanks!!

Here's the concept as I believe Donny described it ..... KaaaaaaaaaaaPOW!!



Another variant I use is to think, during the entire load, is .... SsswwwwwiiiiiiinnnnnnnngggggggggggNOW!!

There are several variants of this. Sort of a rhythm-like thing.

Originally Posted by straightleg

Guess who I am talking about. One guess only please...



A poster on this site will slash in, try to cut deep. Back up, try to talk in circles, jump back in, attack all who question him, back up, never post any thing he calls his own, jump in slash deep, back up, say is there something wrong???
Jump back in cut deep, not caring about the poor guys dd, just his own agenda.Again no agenda of his own, just to use a useless saying of,
Have you studied your Hanson...

Have I given enough clues??



SL

Try not to get side tracked.

I believe your next planned lesson for this guy’s daughter was to tilt-and-turn.

I was hoping that you’d read the following article before you gave that lesson.

Losing Your Spine Angle :: Oceanic Time Warner Cable's AroundHawaii.com


Now here’s a surprise. The fact is there aren’t many guys on tour who actually “retain the spine angle” throughout the swing.

[…..]

In reality, it is the lateral bending of the spine that causes the appearance of retaining one’s spine angle.



[….]

If you’re going to rotate your body correctly, you want to have lateral bending and lordosis.

[….]

The reality is, one cannot hold their lumbar spine stable and create full body rotation in a golf swing. It is impossible to disobey spine mechanics and move correctly.

[….]

The bottom line is that misdiagnosing this fairly common problem won’t help you fix it just as going to a speech pathologist wasn’t going to solve my shyness problem. So be mindful of this when your instructor tells you to retain your spine angle. It’s just an illusion.

If you are frustrated, then just imagine how your daughter feels when she is told one thing this week, and then is brought in a different direction next week. That's why people have developed filters. For this I am truly sorry to have done/doing this to my DD.I am sorry that, because of my lack of knowledge or worst me thinking I knew what was being described and then having my DD perform these actions is/will prevent her from reaching her full potential. I will have to answer for that. The information is posted on the board I read the information and wrongly interpret the information. It is my fault no other persons fault. There are a lot of very intelligent posters on the forum to many to name. They post great information no one poster is responsible for me misinterpret their information. Hopefully other dads will have learned from my big mistake of what not to do with their own DD. Can we please move on? There are a lot of dads reading DFP that still have DD's getting ready for their season that can use your help.Thanks.

Rich

RD and other dads,

As someone who has gone down this road and is still traveling down it here is what I firmly believe will help make your journey easier;

1. You have to take swings and truly understand the desired feel yourself before you implement anything. For some that might be the hardest part. FEEL IS THE MOST CRUCIAL ASPECT OF TEACHING.

2. You must study the high level swing relentlessly.

3. You must develop thick skin, cause I can promise you there will be mistakes along the way.

4. The Hanson Principle is very important. Keep an open mind, you can learn from several different "CAMPS"

5. If you are not comfortable in your knowledge or your ability to teach it properly get a private instructor. If you have a good knowledge base you will be able to tell if someone is off track.

6. Enjoy the journey, it's not easy but it sure is rewarding.