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Apr 14, 2015
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Biggest things I see aside from the too rushed, no load swing, quick weak arm swing are these two:

1. No separation...this is the max separation point I could find.

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2. Out of sequence. This is at heel plant. It's OK (but not ideal) that she has very little stride but she still slightly lifts then puts weight on her front foot and this is where her swing is at during that point. Her hips and arms should not be going forward until after planting the front foot

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These are two different pictures in theory this should be the same picture, at heel plant should be at max separation and also the instant before hips and arms begin moving to swing. As you can see here at heel plant she has already begun her forward component of the swing. As others have said and you admitted she as been focusing on hand/bat path....it is time to start working the bottom half.

I do think a BP, game, machine or even front toss might be helpful so we can see more naturally what her swing look like versus off a tee.

Thankyou dj..... This will help us greatly......I will take some footage as we go from front toss..... her short quick swing is a product from the level she is playing here for her age....she is in A1 open women and faces good gas week in week out and has compensated to get the ball in play (contact)
 
Sep 29, 2014
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Now that you mention that, this makes more sense and exactly what you would probably do to try and get a player to start making contact against fast pitching that she might be slightly over matched with.

I think the biggest thing to understand though is that while she is making more contact it's just a shortcut. We still want to build a sound mechanical swing and then adjust when we begin the process, almost the exact opposite of another post where the pitching was slow and the girl was always ahead of the pitch. both of these are timing issues that we should solve by adjusting timing not changing the swing.

You might start by having her begin with her hands back more at setup. Then as she lifts her front foot she needs to reach back a little more until she looks about like this (1st still) with her weight down on front foot. Even at elite levels you would be surprised how "late" it seems players start their forward motion. It's hard to tell because of angle but you can see this ball is well on its way about half or better is my guess, look closely at the heel on her front foot it is not planted yet (2nd still) and she is fully loaded back and is not begun the transition to coming forward with hips and hands yet. All that to say a sound mechanical swing, sequenced correctly means unloading on the ball really fast, a lot faster than you might think.

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Apr 14, 2015
35
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South Australia
Now that you mention that, this makes more sense and exactly what you would probably do to try and get a player to start making contact against fast pitching that she might be slightly over matched with.

I think the biggest thing to understand though is that while she is making more contact it's just a shortcut. We still want to build a sound mechanical swing and then adjust when we begin the process, almost the exact opposite of another post where the pitching was slow and the girl was always ahead of the pitch. both of these are timing issues that we should solve by adjusting timing not changing the swing.

You might start by having her begin with her hands back more at setup. Then as she lifts her front foot she needs to reach back a little more until she looks about like this (1st still) with her weight down on front foot. Even at elite levels you would be surprised how "late" it seems players start their forward motion. It's hard to tell because of angle but you can see this ball is well on its way about half or better is my guess, look closely at the heel on her front foot it is not planted yet (2nd still) and she is fully loaded back and is not begun the transition to coming forward with hips and hands yet. All that to say a sound mechanical swing, sequenced correctly means unloading on the ball really fast, a lot faster than you might think.

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Brilliant, great visual for my DD to understand...... TRUST THE HANDS :)
 
Apr 14, 2015
35
6
South Australia
Now that you mention that, this makes more sense and exactly what you would probably do to try and get a player to start making contact against fast pitching that she might be slightly over matched with.

I think the biggest thing to understand though is that while she is making more contact it's just a shortcut. We still want to build a sound mechanical swing and then adjust when we begin the process, almost the exact opposite of another post where the pitching was slow and the girl was always ahead of the pitch. both of these are timing issues that we should solve by adjusting timing not changing the swing.

You might start by having her begin with her hands back more at setup. Then as she lifts her front foot she needs to reach back a little more until she looks about like this (1st still) with her weight down on front foot. Even at elite levels you would be surprised how "late" it seems players start their forward motion. It's hard to tell because of angle but you can see this ball is well on its way about half or better is my guess, look closely at the heel on her front foot it is not planted yet (2nd still) and she is fully loaded back and is not begun the transition to coming forward with hips and hands yet. All that to say a sound mechanical swing, sequenced correctly means unloading on the ball really fast, a lot faster than you might think.



Adjusments after tonights session.....thoughts? Lots more power by the way

[video=youtube_share;ItrBFZaLR5c]http://youtu.be/ItrBFZaLR5c[/video]
 
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Sep 29, 2014
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OK a little better with the hands...but don't take the whole upper half of the body with the hands...only the hands. The weight transfer takes place within the framework of the two feet.

What she is doing now is what we call getting "on" or "over" her back foot instead of "into". I put two stills again to demonstrate. Wish I could teleport myself 10,000 miles and walk you through this.
You should be able to find a decent hitting coach in the area but, I think we can build the basics with you here if you just understand it's a process. I also noticed she is taking a bigger stride she can if she wants
but it does not have to be that big if she is not comfortable.

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Finally two video clips that are helpful the first one is more in lesson format, the other is the video of the stills I've been showing you. Try to digest and understand what the instructional video is saying then analize and compare to what the hitter is doing in the other video.

 
Apr 14, 2015
35
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South Australia
OK a little better with the hands...but don't take the whole upper half of the body with the hands...only the hands. The weight transfer takes place within the framework of the two feet.

What she is doing now is what we call getting "on" or "over" her back foot instead of "into". I put two stills again to demonstrate. Wish I could teleport myself 10,000 miles and walk you through this.
You should be able to find a decent hitting coach in the area but, I think we can build the basics with you here if you just understand it's a process. I also noticed she is taking a bigger stride she can if she wants
but it does not have to be that

Thanks dj, probably should have explained the video better......I asked her to over exagerate the seperation to start to get a feel for it.... Im breaking this down the best I can then we can start to correct everything as we go....... she trying to get the hips to coil which is why she is leaning back on the seperation......getting rid of the bug squish and instead coming up on her toe will help with the coil and allow her to go back with the hands rather that the whole top half...... great video links very much appreciated.
 
May 24, 2013
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Pay attention to the timing and direction of movement of the hands in comparison to when the stride goes forward...
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