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Jun 27, 2011
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So in this gif below from Noontime's site, we see Miggy performing a 12-to-6 swing (like the hands of the clock going counter-clockwise from 12 to 6) on a low ball. Pretty easy to see what that looks like.

Does anyone have a gif of somebody hitting a high ball? And what does the hitter do differently on the high ball, mechanically speaking?

Not talking about the bat path itself necessarily, but what the body does to get it there? Is it all in the hands? Does the front arm go higher? What's the cue? The key, as it were?

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rdbass

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Jun 5, 2010
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Not talking about the bat path itself necessarily, but what the body does to get it there? Is it all in the hands?
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Close up of the hands:
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Just a few thoughts I'm sharing. Eyes are important and I didn't want anyone to forget about their involvement or taking for 'granted'.
But based on the read of the pitch, his hands knew instinctively how to get the body into position to best address each pitch. Do you see how he gets his hands above the ball in the one VS getting the handle down to the other. It's not the body leading the hands. It's the hands leading the body. Miggy knows his hands and he uses them very well. His eyes and hands work together to set things up properly. He's using the hands to adjust EARLIER. And guess what? He's loading the barrel while he's doing it.
 
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And what does the hitter do differently on the high ball, mechanically speaking?

Not talking about the bat path itself necessarily, but what the body does to get it there? Is it all in the hands? Does the front arm go higher? What's the cue? The key, as it were?

At the levels I coach, I haven't had to try to explain this yet (although I do use the "hands above the ball" at times). I know I've read here or elsewhere that the front elbow is a key. Visually, it's easier to point out that the front shoulder "clears out" more on a high pitch. And by shoulder I mean the actual socket/joint, not the shoulder blade, b/c after looking at Noon's gif the 4GD posted, the shoulder blades (using the name on the jersey as a reference) appear to maintain very similar angles on both swings at contact (willing to be corrected on this if there's a way to "pause" the gifs).

But as a teach / cue, I would ignore mention of the shoulder. If I were to focus on clearing my shoulder out on a high pitch, I would expect to have more of an arm bar (which I'm trying to remove from my own swing), b/c I'd be leaving my hands behind. I think if you use the elbow as a cue, your arms and hands maintain that box shape better. But like I mentioned, I haven't taught this yet. Maybe leading with the elbow is just a re-wording of the "hands to the ball" cue?
 
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rdbass

It wasn't me.
Jun 5, 2010
9,131
83
Not here.
At the levels I coach, I haven't had to try to explain this yet (although I do use the "hands above the ball" at times). I know I've read here or elsewhere that the front elbow is a key. Visually, it's easier to point out that the front shoulder "clears out" more on a high pitch. And by shoulder I mean the actual socket/joint, not the shoulder blade, b/c after looking at Noon's gif the 4GD posted, the shoulder blades (using the name on the jersey as a reference) appear to maintain very similar angles on both swings at contact (willing to be corrected on this if there's a way to "pause" the gifs).

But as a teach / cue, I would ignore mention of the shoulder. If I were to focus on clearing my shoulder out on a high pitch, I would expect to have more of an arm bar (which I'm trying to remove from my own swing), b/c I'd be leaving my hands behind. I think if you use the elbow as a cue, your arms and hands maintain that box shape better. But like I mentioned, I haven't taught this yet. Maybe leading with the elbow is just a re-wording of the "hands to the ball" cue?

it's easier to point out that the front shoulder "clears out" more on a high pitch
Not sure that I would be instructing that the 'front shoulder clears out on a high pitch. Maybe on a high inside pitch the front shoulder needs to 'clear out'.
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