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May 24, 2013
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One thing you will see in almost all high level swings is at contact there is little and sometimes no weight on the back foot (it really does not look different). In fact a lot of hitters right at contact actually are not even it contact with the ground. The reason being is they have transferred all that energy into the swing. Swings are built from the ground up I love your advice to learn to coil first but if you don't uncoil properly (release the hip and put pressure on your rear instep) and simply spin around and leave a lot or weight on your back foot the perfect "coil" did not do you any good.

The "ground up" concept is one to be careful with. It is often interpreted as the swing being initiated by a pushing action with the rear foot. There are forces against the ground at the rear foot, and the location and direction of those forces are important, but much of the action at the rear foot is a result of things happening above it.
 
Sep 29, 2014
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The "ground up" concept is one to be careful with. It is often interpreted as the swing being initiated by a pushing action with the rear foot. There are forces against the ground at the rear foot, and the location and direction of those forces are important, but much of the action at the rear foot is a result of things happening above it.

Granted things are all connected and work together all I was trying to get across is that if you leave your weight back on your back foot, with the rear toe smashed into the ground and staying planted there throughout the swing this indicates that you are not connecting everything correctly and things are not working together properly; the previous post suggested that it might be just a style thing to have your rear leg bear a significant amount of weight at contact my opinion is that on the spectrum of style to must have having your weight off the rear leg at contact is closer to a must have and not just a style thing.
 
May 24, 2013
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I don't disagree with this ^^^. My previous comment was more as a caveat for others who might misinterpret the "ground up" comment.
 

rdbass

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Jun 5, 2010
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must have having your weight off the rear leg at contact is closer to a must have and not just a style thing.

The 'problem' that will and has happened will be hitters with the 'look' of 'toes pointed to China'. Hitters will have a momentum based swing that bypasses the SNF, resistance.
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Said simply the difference of a hitter that shifts AND swings and a hitter that shifts THEN swings.
The weight shifts because of the swing. That's why I say the rear foot is a 'no teach' (unless it is a teach).
 
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Dec 4, 2013
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One thing you will see in almost all high level swings is at contact there is little and sometimes no weight on the back foot (it really does not look different). In fact a lot of hitters right at contact actually are not even it contact with the ground. The reason being is they have transferred all that energy into the swing. Swings are built from the ground up I love your advice to learn to coil first but if you don't uncoil properly (release the hip and put pressure on your rear instep) and simply spin around and leave a lot or weight on your back foot the perfect "coil" did not do you any good.

I agree that this girl is spinning and not transferring weight. And that in high level swings the weight gets to the front side and the back foot becomes almost or completely weightless. But it absolutely does look different in high level swings. Some stay on the ground, some don't. Some get to the tip of their toe, some get to the side of their foot. Regardless of how they look, I think it is pretty meaningless to look at a still frame of a back foot and use it for analysis.
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This guy's back foot is weightless. Is this how we want to get the weight to the front side? I know I sure don't......

It's about HOW you get your weight to your front side. Like Eric said, if the back foot isn't doing what it should be the problem is likely way upstream.

I stand by Coil, Pullback, Turn Barrel. It starts with a coil "around" the rear hip. You need to add to the stretch with pullbacks. The torsion spring is wound tight. At max stretch you launch your barrel rearward. If you do this your going to see the snap in the rear leg and that rear foot is going to do all of those pretty things we want it to. IMO the rear foot is surface and a no teach. Sync your two engines and the little things are going to fall into place....
 
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Jul 16, 2013
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The 'problem' that will and has happened will be hitters with the 'look' of 'toes pointed to China'. Hitters will have a momentum based swing that bypasses the SNF, resistance.

Said simply the difference of a hitter that shifts AND swings and a hitter that shifts THEN swings.
The weight shifts because of the swing. That's why I say the rear foot is a 'no teach' (unless it is a teach).

I love this bolded quote above!! And worse yet, I actually understand it. Lol!! But in all seriousness, I agree 100%.
 
Jul 16, 2013
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Cue the 'one legged golfer':
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HaHa and GO.......

Ahhh... memories..... All joking aside, it is a good discussion covering an aspect that is overlooked or misunderstood by many. It is what happens when someone focuses on a "look" without understanding how or why.
 

rdbass

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t is what happens when someone focuses on a "look" without understanding how or why.
Exactly, my point. I don't want the 'look'. I want the HOW & WHY. The rear foot 'look' is the effect not the cause.
 
Sep 29, 2014
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Well guess I'm in the minority but I'll stay that way, if you think you can coil, engaging your hip properly, release and uncoil and none of it has to do with the pressures being exerted onto your foot properly and that you can spin on your toe and it will all work out fine because you are doing everything else right...good luck. Maybe it is just a cue I'm using that you don't think is needed because you are using another cue that automatically negates having to use the instep push cue and that is fine because different hitters learn differently but hopefully we would all agree that we should not be teaching a spin/squish cue.
 

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