What are you doing to fix DBSF

Stever · Nov 14, 2016

I will say that I like this 'command drill', I think it has great use..... but be beware that all drills can create other bad habits if over done.

I often do what I believe people on here call the 'noontime drill'. This command drill just seems like a stricter version of that, as we all know the kids seem to have to reset themselves before launching. This enlightens me to tighten up my pause at launch position. Thanks.

Perfect Circle · Nov 14, 2016

Eric F said:
These aren't segments of full swings. They are two examples of the "command drill".

Thx...Yea I know... segmenting the swing into isolations & or.... DRILLS. I'm just not for it... same with pitching... JMHO

Eric F · Nov 14, 2016

Perfect Circle said:
Thx...Yea I know... segmenting the swing into isolations & or.... DRILLS. I'm just not for it... same with pitching... JMHO

Fair enough. I consider drills a tool to help the hitter understand the feel of something specific, which may be difficult to recognize during a full swing.

CoogansBluff · Nov 15, 2016

Hope this is not an overly simplistic or moot question, but why is DBSF an ineffective long-term strategy?

What does the 12-to-6, turn-the-barrel swing do better, and how does it do it?

I think it helps some hitters to see how 'doing it this way will allow you to do this better,' and this is why.

Eric F · Nov 15, 2016

CoogansBluff said:
Hope this is not an overly simplistic or moot question, but why is DBSF an ineffective long-term strategy?

What does the 12-to-6, turn-the-barrel swing do better, and how does it do it?

I think it helps some hitters to see how 'doing it this way will allow you to do this better,' and this is why.

A typical DBSF swing pattern involves a significant re-positioning of the swing launch location while the batter is reading the pitch. What we ususally see is a long and looping hand path. As the batter starts facing better pitching, and has less time to see the pitch, requiring very early commitment to the swing. When pitching gets fast enough, there simply isn't enough time for the long hand path of a DBSF swing pattern. Additionally, a DBSF swing pattern is most often an upper-body or arm powered swing, not connected to the lower body power engine.

A proper swing pattern creates a sudden - rightNOW! - launch of the barrel from near the rear shoulder, on a diagonal plane to contact. The hand path is short and direct. The quickness of proper swing mechanics allows the hitter time to read the pitch location prior to full commitment. Ideally, we want a swing that is both quick and adjustable.

Perfect Circle · Nov 15, 2016

Eric F said:
A typical DBSF swing pattern involves a significant re-positioning of the swing launch location while the batter is reading the pitch. What we ususally see is a long and looping hand path. As the batter starts facing better pitching, and has less time to see the pitch, requiring very early commitment to the swing. When pitching gets fast enough, there simply isn't enough time for the long hand path of a DBSF swing pattern. Additionally, a DBSF swing pattern is most often an upper-body or arm powered swing, not connected to the lower body power engine.

A proper swing pattern creates a sudden - rightNOW! - launch of the barrel from near the rear shoulder, on a diagonal plane to contact. The hand path is short and direct. The quickness of proper swing mechanics allows the hitter time to read the pitch location prior to full commitment. Ideally, we want a swing that is both quick and adjustable.

Nice !!! got a clip of the proper swing ??? .gif... anything Thx

Eric F · Nov 15, 2016

Perfect Circle said:
Nice !!! got a clip of the proper swing ??? .gif... anything Thx

Lots can be found here...http://www.discussfastpitch.com/softball-hitting-technical/2785-model-swings.html

And here...NOONTIME BASEBALL | HEY BATTER BATTER… GIF BATTER!

But, you really can't go wrong with Mig...https://zippy.gfycat.com/NiftySpanishLark.webm

Or Adrian...http://noontimebaseball.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/AdGonz_side.gif

Or Albert...http://noontimebaseball.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Pujols_2015_40.gif

iMlearning · Dec 28, 2016

As mentioned by me before and a couple others in this thread, the tee work doesn't seem to transfer over to a moving ball very well. We do some of the Command drill, Braun Drill, and Reverse grip drill with front toss. We mix the drills together and do about 10 swings and review the video and then go back and do another set. One of the drills that seems to work great is self toss using the top hand to toss, while the bottom hand is holding the bat, resting on the shoulder. The toss shouldn't be higher than eye height. This forces a short swing to be successful while in a good sequence. It seems to work much better for DD tossing with the top hand as opposed to how she used to do it with the bottom hand. Most girls will hate doing it and complain about not being able to toss good enough or really struggle hitting line drives.

FP26 · Dec 28, 2016

iMlearning said:
As mentioned by me before and a couple others in this thread, the tee work doesn't seem to transfer over to a moving ball very well. We do some of the Command drill, Braun Drill, and Reverse grip drill with front toss. We mix the drills together and do about 10 swings and review the video and then go back and do another set. One of the drills that seems to work great is self toss using the top hand to toss, while the bottom hand is holding the bat, resting on the shoulder. The toss shouldn't be higher than eye height. This forces a short swing to be successful while in a good sequence. It seems to work much better for DD tossing with the top hand as opposed to how she used to do it with the bottom hand. Most girls will hate doing it and complain about not being able to toss good enough or really struggle hitting line drives.

I agree completely with the bold. IMO, using the top hand to toss changes the focus of the drill.

ian · Dec 28, 2016

Tee work can get a little monotonous. Gotta mix it up. Work on inside outside up and down. Have them visualize a pitcher in front of them and that helps a little with getting a 'moving ball' swing.

Self toss is awesome. My DD will constantly try to hit the ball at shoulder height. I try to get her to wait on the ball. Ill tell her to hit the ball when it is at the bottom of the strike zone, about 2" below her knees. Never gets lower than mid thigh before she hits it.

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