What are you doing to fix DBSF

mann said:

i see a problem with zep then. IF you are in the camp that believes the angle of the bat increases on a low pitch. I am. who isnt?

thanks dominik

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Well you can still use your brain. zepp gives a certain angle range but also says it depends on pitch height.

so you can use a zepp to work on low pitches and look for a steeper angle. or if you work on high pitches you look for a flatter angle.

mann said:

i see a problem with zep then. IF you are in the camp that believes the angle of the bat increases on a low pitch. I am. who isnt?

thanks dominik

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I find the Zepp to be a useful tool. But it is just that, a "tool". It still requires that the user be able to analyze the data in order to optimize its effectiveness. In my opinion, one mistake some people will make when using the Zepp is that they will only do tee swings. As you have stated, the angles will change somewhat based on pitch location (I agree with you). If the goal is simply to show a better attack angle, all I need to do is watch a player take a few swings, then adjust the height or location of the tee, and poof, attack angle fixed Well, not really... All I did was determine the type of swing the hitter has and adjusted the test format to get the desired results. In my opinion that is not the best way to utilize a tool like the Zepp. But if you understand how the Zepp works and what it is actually measuring, it can be extremely useful to the hitters and the instructors. JMHO.

rdbass said:

I posted this before. It has/had helped my DD. I has help take the tee swing into the game over time. It helps take the delay or the 'extra' move out before the actual swing.

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Not being a d-bag here...just asking...

Here is the first 7 frames of the command drill...wouldn't you want all extra movement removed?



CP

You are correct there is some room for improvement. I still think this is a pretty decent example of the drill. If I remember the context of this clip correctly this was the best attempt of these two kids on their first day doing the command drill. It got cleaned up, this kid mashes....

To execute a high level swing, you have to learn to continually pull back with your back, against your leg, creating a torsion spring-like load, and continue to wind it even though the range of motion has already been reached. You must have continual loading that includes no movement. And it is this continual loading without movement that leads to the seamless overlap. It leads to the ability to turn the load into the swing. This is the best stretch, the final stretch, which most never achieve. Most reach range of motion limit and stop stretching. There's much more available if you learn how to do it.

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Load, load, continue stretching........GOOOOOOOOOO!

Since the loaded launch position is the twisted torsion spring, this creates a supernatural timing window. The torsion spring is a constant load. You keep pulling back even when range of motion limit is reached. No stop. No pause. No redirect. Just keep loading around and you create a window of time over which you release the barrel. Early in the window for the fast ball. A bit later for the off speed. No pause. No stop. And the launch is seamless because it is launched in the same direction as the load. Rearward. Just continue on around.

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What am I missing seems to be a great example of the Command Drill. It's the way my DD does the drill. I want her to keep 'loading', constantly loading until I say go.
To each his/her own I guess.

If you keep pulling and creating tension you must move. before you say go you must keep finding the areas that have slop. So you must move some.

just starting from the launch position does not seem to be as productive as the sequence.
Thanks rdbass, we posted at the same time with the same thought.

just starting from the launch position does not seem to be as productive as the sequence.

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Starting from the 'launch position' I would say is step #1. Learn to launch without the extra movements/slop.
Step #2 is what we see here:

Just keep loading around and you create a window of time over which you release the barrel.

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No pause. No stop. And the launch is seamless because it is launched in the same direction as the load. Rearward. Just continue on around

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Step #2 helps a hitter easily transition to a game/live swing. We are trying to find a drill that carries over to a live swing......

I think they are both good examples. IMO though I think CP was right that it could be a tad tighter.

I don't think that this is part of the launch, I think this is the kid getting his hand to his "snap the pole" position where he can launch.
I was trying to find the vid of teach racing the guy to contact in the command drill but I struck out..... If you are going to race ppl in this drill those first seven frames could be a factor right?
I think this one would be more efficient. JMHO


Maybe I'm wrong..... I have been wrong before!

rdbass said:

Starting from the 'launch position' I would say is step #1. Learn to launch without the extra movements/slop.
Step #2 is what we see here:

Step #2 helps a hitter easily transition to a game/live swing. We are trying to find a drill that carries over to a live swing......

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Good way to describe the variations of coaching a drill, step 1 step 2. thanks for this.

I don't think that this is part of the launch, I think this is the kid getting his hand to his "snap the pole" position where he can launch.

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It is but, if you're talking a part of the Command Drill. Then maybe we are talking a different Command Drill as far as How I use the drill and what segments of the drill that I key on to carry over to a game swing.

If you are going to race ppl in this drill those first seven frames could be a factor right?
I think this one would be more efficient. JMHO

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I agree this is the Command Drill (see above)
My bad for applying what me and the DD practice as more of a carry over/game swing type drill as this gif(see below):

How about this as the Command Drill...your gif as Step #1 and my gif as Step #2 a progression into a game swing.