yep. exactly
EDIT: I answered too quickly here, and I have since clarified this below. I believe it is in relation to the batpath, not ground.
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yep. exactly
EDIT: I answered too quickly here, and I have since clarified this below. I believe it is in relation to the batpath, not ground.
Hmmm...
Lateral tilt is an important concept to understand.
Also...
The Hansen Principle: Always compare anything anyone tells you to slow motion video of the best in the world.
Does this mean you want the barrel of the bat also parallel with the ground?
Lateral tilt would occur AFTER the avoidance of the shoulder drop - per your many gifs.
You want to avoid shoulder dipping BEFORE you begin rotating the shoulders.
In those gifs, the shoulder plane is indeed maintained until the time that shoulder rotation begins, at which time the "lateral tilt" you refer to is commenced in an effort to meet the much more extreme downward-planed incoming ball seen in baseball.
Lateral tilt is nowhere near as extreme in fastpitch, and is almost discouraged once you begin dueling with riseballs.
You want to avoid shoulder dipping BEFORE you begin rotating the shoulders.
In those gifs, the shoulder plane is indeed maintained until the time that shoulder rotation begins, at which time the "lateral tilt" you refer to is commenced in an effort to meet the much more extreme downward-planed incoming ball seen in baseball.
Lateral tilt is nowhere near as extreme in fastpitch, and is almost discouraged once you begin dueling with riseballs.
I don't think that is even possible, with a lagging, whipping bat trailing the hands. Also, I believe PU/PD is more in relation to the bat plane itself (vs. in relation to the ground), and I believe this is directly converse to the idea of the hands rolling over.
Have you ever employed a Zepp sensor and viewed batpath? At the point of contact, the hands being PU/PD at impact will lead to an ideal vertical angle (to ground plane) at impact of -10 to -30.
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I don't disagree with that. There was a recent thread that involved discussion of lead side lateral tilt (or "front side scrunch") as an important component in the loading segment of the swing.
The lateral tilt of the shoulders has to do with contact location more so than pitch trajectory. The higher the pitch, the less tilt.
I can see what you are getting at., in terms of inward ball depth at point of contact, but the setting of the shoulder plane that I was referring to is more in terms of contacting the ball square, or avoiding off-hitting the ball. A dipping shoulder will invariably lead to off-hit balls.
I really enjoy breaking this down - this is awesome, and I appreciate the volleying!
Here's a good example of shoulder plane (and hand path) adjustments for pitch location...
Here's a good example of shoulder plane (and hand path) adjustments for pitch location...
This gif reinforces my quick fix recommendation of pointing the pointy bent front elbow to match ball height - simple way for a young batter to visualize getting bat on plane and at the right height, and quickly - in my experience at least.
Thanks for all of the great swing examples!
