Belly Button thread

[Buttermaker]

I was wondering the heck happened yesterday.

Is the belly button cue still confusing you?

Why not start a new thread so we can continue our Belly Button discussion. Atleast post your version/description of the SNF with both feet pointing towards pitcher.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

Is the old server still available? I am assuming we were probably working on the old server earlier today. My thought was bring the old server up as a different name and copy todays data over to the new server.

Last night it appeared that several of the deleted posts were restored ..... but they are gone again.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

I was wondering the heck happened yesterday.

Is the belly button cue still confusing you?

If your comment on rear leg usage is ignored, then the cue basically means that the belly button is seen to rotate towards the pitcher prior to the upper torso. Within that context .... and the relationship confined to a comparison to the upper torso, the 'observation' is correct. It is basically similar to Williams belief that the hips lead the way.



One of the reasons folks may be 'confused' with the cue of "belly button leads" is that they may be actively trying to have the belly button lead ..... when in reality the belly button (lower torso) is resisting rotation towards the pitcher as the belly button is seen to lead the upper torso.

I can envision someone actively trying to lead with the belly button area (lower torso), not realizing that the belly button (lower torso) should be resisting that movement, and externally rotating as a result. Not what you want at that point in the swing as the driving force.

 

[rdbass]

One of the reasons folks may be 'confused' with the cue of "belly button leads" is that they may be actively trying to have the belly button lead ..... when in reality the belly button (lower torso) is resisting rotation towards the pitcher as the belly button is seen to lead the upper torso.

I can envision someone actively trying to lead with the belly button area (lower torso), not realizing that the belly button (lower torso) should be resisting that movement, and externally rotating as a result. Not what you want at that point in the swing as the driving force.

How can the Belly Button be lower & upper at the same time? Is the Belly Button the hips or from the hips up or core? It's no wonder I'm confused.
Added: I can not view Video at this time.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

How can the Belly Button be lower & upper at the same time? Is the Belly Button the hips or from the hips up or core? It's no wonder I'm confused.
Added: I can not view Video at this time.

The answer is that the belly button can not be the "lower torso" and "upper torso" at the same time.

 

[Greenmonsters]

How can the Belly Button be lower & upper at the same time? Is the Belly Button the hips or from the hips up or core? It's no wonder I'm confused.
Added: I can not view Video at this time.

Does the size of the belly have a bearing on whether the belly button is upper or lower (or upper, but lower than it used to be)?

 

[Buttermaker]

The hips provide the power.

The core supplies the resistance. Energy is then transferred through the torso and into the shoulders to the arms.

Just like when you walk - each hip is going through a sequence of flexion and extension. This will give the pelvis the appearance of rotating when it is just being rotated by the hips action.

Leading with the belly button works if you also follow my other cue of trying to keep the front hip lower than the rear hip as you cock the front leg and pivot into the rear hip. Leading with the BB will then force the hitter to quickly flex the front hip as the foot lands and then quickly extend it - causing the front leg to "post" up

If your comment on rear leg usage is ignored, then the cue basically means that the belly button is seen to rotate towards the pitcher prior to the upper torso. Within that context .... and the relationship confined to a comparison to the upper torso, the 'observation' is correct. It is basically similar to Williams belief that the hips lead the way.



One of the reasons folks may be 'confused' with the cue of "belly button leads" is that they may be actively trying to have the belly button lead ..... when in reality the belly button (lower torso) is resisting rotation towards the pitcher as the belly button is seen to lead the upper torso.

I can envision someone actively trying to lead with the belly button area (lower torso), not realizing that the belly button (lower torso) should be resisting that movement, and externally rotating as a result. Not what you want at that point in the swing as the driving force.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

Thank you Butter. I do believe that the feel you are attempting to create with the lower front hip helps. That said, IMO it comes down to how one interprets the belly button leading cue.

The reality is that the belly button (lower torso) is resisting being rotated towards the pitcher at the very time that it is rotated towards the pitcher ahead of the upper torso. The relationship with the rear upper leg during this time is key IMO, and shouldn't be ignored.

 

[liththunder]

I do believe that the feel you are attempting to create with the lower front hip helps.

Is this one of those cues that you attempt to do but doesn't really happen in an effort to create tension in the core? Unless I'm not understanding this cue, I see a higher front hip..

 

[Buttermaker]

Guys with higher leg kicks will look like that. But, try and replicate the feeling of keeping the front hip lower even with a high leg kick and you should feel the difference. Then use a high leg kick and let the front hip elevate.

Is this one of those cues that you attempt to do but doesn't really happen in an effort to create tension in the core? Unless I'm not understanding this cue, I see a higher front hip..