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rdbass

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It continues to evolve....you can first get the a taste of the feeling by focusing on the scap area (upper back, but flashing lights and sirens come on when you figure out the lower back....

I can resist a few different ways - but when you learn how to twist the lower back as part of the upper body "load" your rear leg and rear hip want to provide resistance....they have to.

Rich knows what he is talking about and while I admit I had a hard time cutting through the bluster - I am not in this for any other reason then to give my players and students the very best chance to succeed...[/QUOTE]

That is why I'm open to learning(DD). No matter the source.
 

TDS

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It continues to evolve....you can first get the a taste of the feeling by focusing on the scap area (upper back, but flashing lights and sirens come on when you figure out the lower back....

I can resist a few different ways - but when you learn how to twist the lower back as part of the upper body "load" your rear leg and rear hip want to provide resistance....they have to.

Rich knows what he is talking about and while I admit I had a hard time cutting through the bluster - I am not in this for any other reason then to give my players and students the very best chance to succeed...

MTS, your correct it's hard to swing like a reptile if your focus/feel is in the wrong area (scap/turning the barrel, etc). The flow or sequence becomes bound up.
 
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I tried really hard to follow the way that I believed Bustos took. I remember telling my kid to read "what Bustos coach says here". After a while I couldn't put together a swing with the tidbits of info that leaked out. So, with no clinics near by, and finding out the huge cost it would take to have her do a clinic, I decided to order her dvd. Boy that was fun explaining to the girls that we were taken 3 minutes later when the dvd was over. So I thought for my $30 and this three min dvd...she can help out some other way, a little bit any way. So I emailed her site....twice....no response.
Off on a journey I went to find the truth. Stuck around somewhere else for a while, but then a year or so ago some other posters were saying that guy didn't match a high level swing. I looked a ton at video of the best, and the key, I tried it all out. They were right, he didn't match what I saw and felt.
So on I moved....I knew kind of what I was feeling, didn't really call myself following anyone, even said a few times that I was a lone ranger.
Well...so as I continued to post on here, some experts posted and I knew that what they said was not true. I felt confident enough (because I swing a bat) to call them on it. Then Teacherman showed up here one day and said a whole bunch of things that made sense, and EVERYONE else was left studdering. I went back to check HI out. Saw this guy teaches what I am feeling and seeing, and he is years ahead of me in the journey. Other posters pm me and said "he is so mean"...but I always saw it different...he does the same thing I have been doing, asks people to prove what they are saying is the truth.

So now mts, I, and some others are suggesting "try this" and include that teacherman is the one who taught us. It looks like it makes you guys mad. So maybe say why...tell why you don't like people following his advice. He did a whole blog on how he believes what you, Howard, and Crystl teach does not match up to watch she does when she swings, and he swing matches closer to what he teaches. If you guys don't like him saying that, prove him wrong. You know he will debate you on it. For me it is all about the truth. I don't dislike any of you, just wish I wouldn't have tried so hard to follow that path.





Redhot.
Thanks for the honest reply.
I posted that teacherman would like this in good spirit. When I visited his site, his rough behavior did not bother me.
I have video of Casey doing the SNF. I like you try different things. Just never posted it.
Some people like to tear up anything I post.

He has taught me a few things from visiting his site. I like some of it, not all of it.
Steve Englishbey has taught me a few things. Boardmember, Mark H, Ssarge. Many more

I have learned from many but when you have a guy and an olympic player put over 100 kids in college from their instruction and play at all levels, anyone that says their type of coaching and instruction does not match MLB and they dont know what they are doing, you have to wonder if they (other hitting gurus)are open to what they really teach and the motives of the comments they make.

One thing about your post I believe you have wrong is the turn real hard and push about our swing.
We also try to whip the barrel through and work with teaching the girls how to swing a hammer to show wrist action and how to release the barrel to impact.



Side note: Its good to try and match pros but MLB has a batting avg. of around .270
Is that the goal?
 
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Can you elaborate? I am not sure what you are saying here.

MTS, your correct it's hard to swing like a reptile if your focus/feel is in the wrong area (scap/turning the barrel, etc). The flow or sequence becomes bound up.
 

rdbass

It wasn't me.
Jun 5, 2010
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Not here.
Coach James - you have to turn the barrel rearward to get behind the rear leg....if they are releasing the barrel too soon they either A) pushing their hands forward to start the swing or B) Slotting the elbow first (externally rotating the rear upper arm) but a video would help.

I would have them also work on rear leg swings to get used to swinging behind the rear leg and reverse top hands....
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MTS,
Would you start with this drill first?
 
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SL, I'm a stickler for mechanics, and even when girls have a good load mechanics (I've used Team USA's/Candrea's stuff forever), get on plane, stay inside the ball, etc., they sometimes lack that "pop" that I see other girls have. My thinking has been it's in the transfer from the load to toe touch, and the way I approached it was the only way I knew to do it: Have them "sit" heavier in inside of their back leg during load and stride a bit longer into toe touch. That still wasn't giving me what I thought they should have, and I was getting frustrated, and started blaming player genetics - I couldn't think of what else to do.

Then when I started following the evolution of the "Critique/Help Series of Swings" thread, what I saw in the gifs (especially crankermo's daughter) and was reading about made a lot of sense. I'm always willing to try new stuff, so I used it in practice. A side benefit has been through the discussion on SnF, I finally understand turning the barrel/early rearward launch. It was an eye-opener.

Way to go mountie, how about this for an eye-opener, the gurus have been going at it since 2006. Slowly, the truth is coming to a field near you.
 

TDS

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Can you elaborate? I am not sure what you are saying here.

It's all tied to the spine engine.... And how the spine should move during the swing. IOW the back is used to swing similar to how reptiles swim. This action allows for the sequence (scap clamp/barrel turn) to happen.

Reptile action vs trying to turn the barrel.

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TM and Tewks have some fantastic stuff and Brooke has benefited from it. The reason I posted about how loud the ball is off Brooke's bat is because that's the true difference in doing what TM and Tewk talk about, the sound is totally different. I can tell how she's going to hit just by watching her rear hip action, when she does it right it's going to be a flat out missile, when she doesn't it's going to be a ok hit, HUGE difference in whip and power. TM always said the whip is behind and not out front and he couldn't be more right.

I go back and look at some of Brooke's older swings that I thought were her best, they were good at the time, but they are so bad compared to where she is right now. Like the gif of her swinging outside on our patio thats posted on here, that swing is nothing like her swing now. The gif of her in all black is the best swing she had ever taken up to that point, TM called me out on it and he was right.
That is the in game swing we were after. She's gotten pretty consistent bringing it into games now and she's hit some head turners with D1'S watching and taping her.

Like I've said before I've learned from every camp/site out there and I've always acknowleded it. TM and Tewks have hit the ball out of the park when it comes to the SnF. IMO the way Howard Carrier and his camp teach dynamic loading is also an absolute. The worse thing people can do is block themselves from information because they are afraid to learn or be ridiculed. I still firmly believe that no one has all the answers but I also believe if you pick and choose wisely that you will find your answer.
 

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