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No - I never said an inside pitch should be hit near the rear hip.
What I believe is that the barrel is initially launched/turned rearward....this puts the barrel in motion to come from behind the rear hip - much like the tip of the bat is the hand in a windmill delivery....
This allows the hitter to hit the ball deeper....
Steve, stand on your rear foot only and take some swings - do you want to fall forward on your front foot or can you remain balanced on your back foot even during follow through? Our hitters hit front toss off the rear leg only as a way for them to figure out how to launch the bat without having to push the hands forward....
What I believe is that the barrel is initially launched/turned rearward....this puts the barrel in motion to come from behind the rear hip - much like the tip of the bat is the hand in a windmill delivery....
This allows the hitter to hit the ball deeper....
Steve, stand on your rear foot only and take some swings - do you want to fall forward on your front foot or can you remain balanced on your back foot even during follow through? Our hitters hit front toss off the rear leg only as a way for them to figure out how to launch the bat without having to push the hands forward....
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Ahh.. I think the "Hitting" subboard on BBD requires to be logged in to read, and this thread is under there, you are correct.
redbass, I like all of these but the first one. He has a long swing, indirect bat path that loops the bat head down into the hitting zone. The Cubs have a kid named Brett Jackson that is more extreme than this. It might work on low pitches and baseball but would be a killer in my opinion in softball. Simply too much bat movement. Hamilton releases a little sooner than Manny because his pitch is heat inside probably. He has to get his hands out front sooner. Manny shows the most bat lag.
Isolation drills are great. No problem. But I am failing to see your picture through the terminology used. Reading it I see a picture one way, and you say it is another. So you advocate hitting the ball in front of the front foot, but you advocate hitting the ball deeper for what pitch location? And are you saying you drop the bat head back, into a lag position earlier than normal? Video?
Are you one of the coaches here who advocates holding the bat so it is straight up and down during load?
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Huh? Where did I write "hit the ball in front of the front foot?"
Just watch the video's in this thread - every clip shows the bat going rearward before going forward.
Just watch the video's in this thread - every clip shows the bat going rearward before going forward.
I guess what my issue is, I think the bat head path isn't "created" and you seem to. The path is determined by what you do with your hands. As the hips rotate toward the pitcher or right-field, the hands are not rotating, the hip is. The hands are maintaining the same orientation to the shoulder and hip as when the swing starts. That automatically creates an arc of the bat head. But either proper rotation or intentional or unintentional use of the hands is what makes the bat do otherwise. The bat head just follows the trajectory and path of the hands. Manny holds his lag longer than the Alabama girl below for all that I can tell, as it is a slight frontal view of about 30 degrees. But nobody would say it isn't going backward. Are you suggesting that is conscious? The knob is pointed at the 1B dugout or the catcher's feet, and rotates toward the pitch. How does it not go backward if the bat isn't a noodle? The test I make in bat drag as opposed to bat lag, is if the bat head tip goes beyond the rear foot during swing, then you have too much drag. I don't think the Alabama girl below has any bat drag. The movement of the bat head follows the hands to get on the plane of the pitch in a smooth arc, but if she is unloading the wrists early I can't see it. In fact every once in a while it freezes a little and I don’t see this swing as any different than the .gifs above except the first one. She does have a slight uppercut because she is dropping her hands a little, but all the guys do.
You can raise your hands, or more likely drop your hands :-( You can cast your hands, you can put them in your ear. You can bat wrap and start the wrist break early sometimes, or you can keep the lag and break them as late as Manny. You can hold them close to the shoulder, and struggle getting them inside, inside heat. You can hold them too far away, and have little projection (force) toward the ball. You can reach the bat tip back toward the catcher and create bag drag. But anything these players are not doing, seems like it would be a sweeping swing if the bat head went further back.
The only other theorectical issue I can think of is hitting depth. Are you suggesting not to hit the ball where it is pitched? So inside would be out in front of the front foot? Outside would be deeper in the zone? You can inside out a pitch, though more effectively if you don’t rotate fully. I have no problem with that either. I have no problem with drills adjusting depth issues and hitting it deep.
I don't coach in the US. I think it is like truck driving. They have their own lingo that everybody has to learn to communicate. So I may be lost in your thinking process. I try to keep things simple especially if they don't need to be complex. I am demanding to the "T" when it comes to technique, like 9 key elements to basic bunting, but I keep it simple in theory.
By the way, are there any Canadian coaches here? I have one of my "little" buddies, 6' Italian pitcher, moving to Calgary.
You can raise your hands, or more likely drop your hands :-( You can cast your hands, you can put them in your ear. You can bat wrap and start the wrist break early sometimes, or you can keep the lag and break them as late as Manny. You can hold them close to the shoulder, and struggle getting them inside, inside heat. You can hold them too far away, and have little projection (force) toward the ball. You can reach the bat tip back toward the catcher and create bag drag. But anything these players are not doing, seems like it would be a sweeping swing if the bat head went further back.
The only other theorectical issue I can think of is hitting depth. Are you suggesting not to hit the ball where it is pitched? So inside would be out in front of the front foot? Outside would be deeper in the zone? You can inside out a pitch, though more effectively if you don’t rotate fully. I have no problem with that either. I have no problem with drills adjusting depth issues and hitting it deep.
I don't coach in the US. I think it is like truck driving. They have their own lingo that everybody has to learn to communicate. So I may be lost in your thinking process. I try to keep things simple especially if they don't need to be complex. I am demanding to the "T" when it comes to technique, like 9 key elements to basic bunting, but I keep it simple in theory.
By the way, are there any Canadian coaches here? I have one of my "little" buddies, 6' Italian pitcher, moving to Calgary.
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