If you have searched the internet for hitting videos you have probably run across this and I was curious what others thought. It is long, about 20 minutes, but it covers a whole lot. For the most part I really like what they are teaching and how they are teaching it. They give you do and don't as well as tips and drills to help fix common flaws. I know given the length most won't have time to post a response right away but I think over the course of a couple days we can gets some pretty good discussions going.
It must be legit if they can afford to have Matt Damon doing a cameo as "the hitter"!
"Careful man there's a beverage here"..... THE DUDE
Thanks for the vid. I really like some things in there. The casting tips in particular.
David Carter (01-25-2013)
The thing I really like is they identify common problems then give a drill that could help fix it.
As they are going through things it is stuff we talk about here all the time. I'm tempted to almost make a table of contents that just time stamps the different parts.
Last edited by David Carter; 01-26-2013 at 10:28 AM.
for HLBB pattern, I think a better way to understand the motion is there is hand pivot, rear hip pivot and how pivots synch. So for example, there is a lot of early description of stance and load "positions"/check points. then the next bit of lower body advice is "being aggressive with the rear hip". But it is unlikely you can get the necessary rear hip action/"aggressiveness" at this point since the earlier part of the swing did not emphasize preparing the rear hip. You have to set up the tug of war at the rear hip joint with hip as top of bottom earlier in the swing and then not bleed it.
see also the Tony Gwynn video in a recent thread where he appropriately emphasizes hand pivot (swing knob) and "balance" - that you can not either get the weight to the front leg or open the front hip early. But, with regard to "balance" these points of emphasis are better understood in terms of rear hip pivot/action if you load/coil with balance around the rear hip, a tug of war that continues tightening at the joint as the swing proceeds, the desired "positions" will result. weight will not get to front foot early. The front hip "opening" early is more a result of the REAR hip opening/bleeding/ER'ing due to poor rear hip pivot action.
If you focus on the surface positions, there are infinite ways of producing them so they look good on the surface, but you are unlikely to have them produced in the HLBB pattern/sequence
a guy like gwynn knows when it is right because with experience he recognizes the result of a series of good swing pattern/bat-ball collisions (ball trajectory,contact sound,context of exact situation,etc).
His idea of a "short swing" is actually a very long one.
in an HLBB pattern short swing, the hands stay at the back shoulder and at the rear hip pivot, the rear leg (thigh femur) turns forward (gets and stays in IR with increasing IR pressure) leading the rear hip so the rear hip can pull.
The coach here mentions getting aggressive with the rear leg/hip so the swing can be pulled, but he does not show how the rear hip pivot works to do this, so in fact there is not adequate ability for rear hip to pull. To compensate for this he mentions pulling with lead arm while not barring the lead arm. Not barring the lead arm lets the hands stay in/up/back better, the arms are still forced to take over and pull the swing from the front which makes the batpath long as compared to the HLBB pattern where the rear hip pulls the torso and hands while the handle is turned between the hands.
this makes for a quicker (more rapid acceleration) swing further back (earlier) in the swing arc, so-called "early batspeed" enabling late adjustment.
the rear hip needs to pull, not push to get short to/early batspeed.
this is being discussed now at baseball debate, register here:
and then you can see the hitting forum, look for thread tiled "DFP", see esp. p.12