Rotation

Yes, as you weight your front foot foot, you swing. Yes i include SLOT with SWING. SLOT, with no shoulder turn, yet.

All this talk about tension in the hip, and you do not like tension in the torso, created by the separation of the lower and upper body.

seperation .........upper and lower seperation shoulder and hip seperation.

And like i said before shift AND swing is something you do without a front side. shift then swing would be agaianst astrong frontside.
i know this some of yours faverite catchphrase, but i use neither of these phrases when i coach.

No, I am not saying hold the beach ball.....I said I would rather have them think pop the beach ball....meaning work the back leg like you are bringing the knee forward....

HYP said:

That's fine with me but I just don't care to much what the front leg is doing. I believe if the rear leg and backside is working properly the front leg will do what it does. The only issue I have with the beach ball is, in order to hold it I have to be using my front leg as well.

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Knee pressure gifs from BBD.

mann said:

Yes, as you weight your front foot foot, you swing. Yes i include SLOT with SWING. SLOT, with no shoulder turn, yet.

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Do you see how your wards describe a to step swing. As you weight your front foot, you swing and Slot with swing.

Let me ask you then. Does the swing weight the front foot or do you weight the front foot and then swing? Do you Slot then swing or does the Slot happen as part of the swing?

mann said:

All this talk about tension in the hip, and you do not like tension in the torso, created by the separation of the lower and upper body.

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The tension is in the lower back and rear hip. The middle of the rag. The scap gets pinched which completes the connection and then throw. The tension is on the back side.

I can create upper and lower body separation all I want without creating the tension where it is needed to have suddenness. Without having a direct connection with the barrel.

If you create upper/lower separation by uncoiling the rear hip you get hip to shoulder separation and there is no direct connection to the hands except by the shoulders.

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yes, quite correct, with some muscules and othe stuff

I do not want my hitters powering the throw with their shoulders.

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yes, you (HYP) want the power to come from the hands

The rear hip is pulling the hands

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Only if your arms were attached to your butt

No, I believe in separation. I just do not believe that upper/lower separation is what we are trying to achieve. If all I achieve is upper/lower separation then I will be powering the swing, at some point, with the shoulders and around.

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rear leg is turning in front which forces the hips open

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the back leg is forcing those pesky hips open

I am new to this forum stuff, but i get the sense of clicks, some odd phrases that a group uses. I will stop here, and start a thread so i can be reeducated by the old school born again rear leg does it all lineal coaches. I'll call it THE REAR LEG, stay back, with all your weight going foward as you swing thread, good night.